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selections from al-Muqatta'at: Islam and the End of the World
"The stage of history was set for a new appearance. And at the beginning of this century, as World War I divided the Holy Land among the European powers, it came. From the land of Gog and Magog, in Russia. The Soviet Union established man as their national god, a clear sign mentioned in most prophecies of The End."
But in the Bible, Shiloh never comes: his arrival will fulfill and replace the Bible, not only for the children of Abraham but for all people everywhere. The Bible is the record of the Promises God made to Abraham and how they were kept to and by the Children of Israel in the Land God gave to Abraham. The entire history of the Bible is of the Holy Land and the immediately surrounding area. Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, and other gentile nations appear in the Bible only when they are in the Holy Land in some manner.
"Our name for the Anti-Christ is Masih ad-Dajjal, which translates from the Arabic as "Anointed Liar" or as "False Messiah." We call him Dajjal, The Liar. He is a person who is also a nation. He alternately destroys and then restores the land and its ability to support farming and agriculture. He passes through a destitute land and it hidden resources follow after him. He causes rain. He does not tolerate belief except that man has god-like power and authority and divinity. He becomes instantly angry. He provokes doubt in whoever disproves his claims. His society contains what seems like paradise and what seems like hell -- they are reversed, his paradise is hell. Only Jesus can defeat him, others who try will be martyrs. He will come, it is widely believed, from among the muslims, east in the Holy Land."
There is much here that is not clearly established. In the view of some, the fire that gathers the east to the west is nuclear arms; the smoke is smog, perhaps tobacco; ... the Dajjal is communism, Israel, America, the Council on Foreign Relations ... maybe.
But this is not the characteristic of Signs: it leaves people wondering, while Signs make matters clear. Not that this keeps people from convincing themselves -- and others. There are large parties of people who in one way or another are trying to bring about the fulfillment of one Sign or another ...
Society comes into existence when people join in an agreement, with each other and hopefully with God, on the basis that they will honor it even when they may dislike it. This trust enables them to govern themselves and protect what they have. As the Hour approaches, trust will disappear, and with it the ability to protect society from violence and lawlessness. People will not entrust their collective power but restrain themselves from doing justice, for fear of becoming party to some imagined unfairness or excess of severity. Business dealings will become difficult as fear of losing goods and advantage through fgraud become major influences on whether or how to do business. Disputes and claims of broken agreements will increase and become a means of cheating in themselves and arbitration will fail. And the general level of dissatisfaction, insecurity and frustration will rise, making every social process more difficult.
Goods will become scarce and prices rise not due to a lack of the necessities of life but due to hoarding, both as a means of increasing price and as a means of being prepared for social collapse or calamity. The weakness of society and of law will inspire contempt in people who formerly feared to do wrong and their criminal acts will become bold and increase, and no one will restrain them. More and more, people will try to escape from the misery of their lives in drunkenness and fantasy and play.
And eventually the sheer enormity of living through a day will become too mych for people to bear and their minds will deteriorate. They will become unable to do the usual things that people need to do each day, and become like drunk simply from the burden on their minds.
Teachers and preachers will abound, prophets and seers will appear like butterflies. Their words will be soft as feathers, the promises of God will seem like cotton candy, the solutions they have for the problems at hand will make matters worse for inaction and indecisiveness. Some will imagine from false inspiration or faulty interpretation that they or their party has a special role and a mission to save the world or a remnant, and messianic-apocalyptic delusions will drive them all mad.
And as humanity reaches the end of days, the houses of faith are under attack: no one can be trusted, no institution will function or hold or provide refuge, no santuary will go uninvaded but the wicked will enter with deceit and treachery and bring destruction. To gain the illusion of strength in numbers judgment will be abandoned, the very definitions of good and evil changed to admit to membership the very poison the Law and the prophets describe. People will search for the guidance they were given and find that it has been lost, or denied, or falsified, or obscured, and despair of finding their way. And the blind, leading the blind, will go nowhere.
This is what we can expect -- or is it what we see?
Commotion will increase. Events will move so fast, and so many things will be happening at once, that action will be impossible to decide, let alone carry out. Keeping the peace will become an impossible task -- people simply will not want to become involved, and will not cooperate with those whose job it is. The burden of protection will fall more heavily on every house for itself -- and the weakest will be the first prey of neighbors who are also strangers. How to tell who to trust will become an impossible question -- suspicion will become the dominant social force and doubt will become the only certainty.
And then, when the false expectations that have passed for religion fail to save the day, people will blame God, rather than themselves, for their troubles and their despair, and start to curse Him and the messengers and prophets and holy men He sent, and those who keep faith.
And then The Hour will come.
Many people expect an Antichrist or False Messiah who will oppose religions and be without religion. Rather he accomodates and appears to reconcile the followers of disparate faiths into one religious unity with religious, cultural, and ethnic diversity according to a Covenant ultimately attributed to Noah. All mankind will be allowed to serve His representatives and intercessors in a universal peace, and police the criminals who persist against the new law -- as the observant, Torah-faithful Jewish followers of Jesus were hunted down by the trinitarian bishops and legions of Constantine's Rome and Byzantium.
I hope to not see Masih ad-Dajjal. I'm hoping it more of late, and I have not seen some very definite things -- clear Signs -- that prophecy and eschatology say precede him. Certainly I'm in no position to say "There he is!" and don't want to be in any such position.
But there are said to be many -- of all faiths -- who are already waiting and deceived, and waiting to be deceived, when he appears. A "Messiah" who many accept as the one they've awaited, though entirely false, through and through, a grand master of deceit.
Well, there sure have been a lot of potential candidates practicing for the job, and plenty of nominees.
"Surely The Hour is near, I all but conceal it -- to repay each person by means of what he pursues."
Perhaps it will recede again ...
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
1 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:16:56 PDT by ankaboot (ankaboot@muslimamerica.net)
Breaking News?
2 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:21:57 PDT by BurkeanCyclist
What is your point?
3 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:24:49 PDT by P-Marlowe
Interesting post. Thanks.
4 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:28:13 PDT by Blade
Waiting for the Antichrist
Tell me about it. Every time I plan something with that guy, he's always running an hour late. No wonder no one invites him anywhere.
5 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:28:56 PDT by LJLucido
" Waiting for the Antichrist "
He is already here. He took office space in Harlem recently. He was in Chicago the other day with a big scratch on the end of his nose.
6 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:29:18 PDT by fightu4it
ping
7 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:31:33 PDT by sirgawain
I'm waiting for my pizza to arrive. Does that count?
8 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:31:47 PDT by HalfIrish
I'm not the kind of person you think I am
I'm not the Anti-Christ or the Iron Man
I have a vision that I just can't control
I feel I've lost my spirit and sold my soul
Got no control...
9 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:32:12 PDT by StoneColdGOP
You win today's prize. Someone mentioned "Gog and Magog" as soon as the connection with Afghanistan came to light.
10 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:32:13 PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Sounds like Bill Clinton and his religion of political correctness. It sounds like utopia, but destroyes nations.
He is a liar.
He bombs nations, and later creates a new US taxpayer social program to support them.
But there are said to be many -- of all faiths -- who are already waiting and deceived, and waiting to be deceived, when he appears. A "Messiah" who many accept as the one they've awaited, though entirely false, through and through, a grand master of deceit.
11 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:32:16 PDT by concerned about politics
This is hardly breaking news. Someone please do the honors.
12 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:32:32 PDT by michaelje
http://atlantaserbs.netfirms.com/Sept_11th/Similarities/similarities.shtml
Talking similarities
We know the criminals are tactic allies. But could it be that the criminals were the same ?
13 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:32:49 PDT by Milosevic2
Real simple answer to figuring out who is antiChrist:
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
14 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:33:35 PDT by Russell Scott
What?
15 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:34:13 PDT by vmatt
Y2K didn't work out, did it?
16 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:35:28 PDT by Roebucks
What?
It said.... "Bill has arrived."
17 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:37:14 PDT by concerned about politics
18 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:38:34 PDT by Cindy
"Our name for the Anti-Christ is Masih ad-Dajjal, which translates from the Arabic as "Anointed Liar" or as "False Messiah." We call him Dajjal, The Liar
We call him Clinton The White Trash!
19 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:39:14 PDT by varon
Waiting for the Antichrist.
And here I thought this was a sit-com something on the NBC Fall line up.
Kind of like Real Estate Developers in Hell,90210
20 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:39:22 PDT by tet68
No thanks.
21 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:41:36 PDT by StoneColdGOP
I thought I was the only one who knew that.
22 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:42:11 PDT by Slyfox
I am waiting for the OTHER anka-BOOT to drop!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
23 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:44:45 PDT by crazykatz
Interesting post. Thanks.
Thanks, but ...
To: Sidebar Moderator
Breaking News?
Posted by BurkeanCyclist
and ...
To: ankaboot
This is hardly breaking news. Someone please do the honors.
Posted by michaelje
Not yet, it's not, I'd agree. So how does who correct what here? Have I inadvertently violated some proprietary taboo here? Where does one post religious material the writer considers likely material to current international events go?
I think I'm concerned that in the millennial muslim world it could be "breaking news" from what I've been reading as "information" in the media. Bin Laden and the Taliban seem to have -- unjustifiably -- become something of a "cause celebre" because from the perspective of the man on the street in the muslim world, America is attacking them without the least bit of justification or evidence of any participation in the Tuesday Terror -- that is, muslims see them as innocents under immediate siege.
When Khomeini took the hostages -- a major act of utter outlawry according to Islamic Law -- the Persians began calling him "The Imam" -- which among the Shi'ah is only used about their "Imam Mahdi," their messianic figure. Is something similar now being said about Bin Laden? Crazier things have happened.
Perhaps someone will be kind enough to post a link to an information page Jim added while I was off studying computer and internet security.
Is it customary at Free Republic to re-post an original to prevent the sky from falling in cases like this?
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
24 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:50:57 PDT by ankaboot (ankaboot@muslimamerica.net)
..."big scratch on the end of his nose" That's because he forgot to take the razor blade out of the pile of cocaine.
25 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:51:06 PDT by gargoyle
Waiting for the Antichrist
I used to be married to his sister.
26 Posted on 09/26/2001 18:52:05 PDT by humblegunner (hi, kate!)
Real simple answer to figuring out who is antiChrist:
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
I really prefer the Greek and Aramaic and Arabic renderings to English, but "figuring out" is not necessary at all with Signs. No one had to "figure out" that Jesus was accompanied everywhere he went by the Spirit of Holiness, that was plain and manifest to everyone with the least bit of faith or none at all. That's why people flooded out of the towns to wherever he went, to see him.
And of course the Qur'an says that before the end, there will be no one who does not know the Messiah of Israel, God's Word that He cast into Mary, the only person ever to walk the earth without sin or error, a Word from Him made flesh and walking among us again.
But I do not rely on John, not even in the original Aramaic, or read it in the same way as you do. That's okay, Jesus will tell us the truth when he gets here. I'm willing to wait for that ... are you?
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
27 Posted on 09/26/2001 19:14:12 PDT by ankaboot (ankaboot@muslimamerica.net)
You won't get flamed for your post but I will get flamed for my response. The vatican is a state and a nation in its self, the anti-christ is a dynasty fully embodied in one final man who dresses in white and conquers by peace. He claims to be God. Many follow, worship him and the many idols that adorn their churches, pray to a dead woman they call Mary whom you can trace back to Semirimis, a very wicked queen with a child in her lap called Tammuz. The vatican has been working on joining protestants back to her fold for years since she was really ticked when we left, enough to kill 65 million of us from the year 319 A.D. to the 1800's. She does not say that Jesus did not come in the flesh...but if Mary was without sin and was with child by the holy spirit then Christ could not have had a part in the sinful nature of mankind to conquer by being perfect. He took our flesh then took our curse...if we believe in what his blood did. Just because something or someone calls themself Christian doesn't make it so. Thus is will be as Christ said...Those who believe as I do will be hunted, killed and whatever they can do to get rid of us. Jesus said I did not come to bring peace on the earth but division!!! once again we will do the opposite and unite all religions in the name of peace. "When they cry peace and safety then sudden destruction." You are right, there are tooo many signs...more then I have ever seen, I hope I am wrong also. Watch for this pope to kick off and a newer stronger one to be set in...unless this one is just a puppet. We just watch and hope we are wrong.
28 Posted on 09/26/2001 19:23:36 PDT by Deanna Knapp
>>>"Our name for the Anti-Christ is Masih ad-Dajjal, which translates from the Arabic as "Anointed Liar" or as "False Messiah." We call him Dajjal, The Liar<<<
We call him Clinton The White Trash!
LOL. Well he was born of a Virginia and nobody knows who his [human] father was. Maybe he didn't have one.
29 Posted on 09/26/2001 19:28:52 PDT by Thinkin' Gal
Hi, Thinkin' Gal. It's been a while, unless I've just been asleep at the switch.
Here's what I've been doing lately (not that you asked, you understand).
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
Islam the Straight Path to God
Guide to Events
Message from the Muslim Community
A Political Process for Muslim America
"What I expect from American Muslims"
"Here may be our problem with Islam"
Position of US National Muslim Organizations
Taliban Leader summons religious scholars
US Rejects Afghan Clerics' Ruling on Bin Laden
FBI Obtains Terrorist E-Mails
Farrakhan Warns of Armageddon
A Principled Opponent
A Serious Islam Question
Text of Fatwa by Bin Laden -- False and Void
"Smoking them out" is not new in the Middle East
China's Role in Osama Bin Laden's "Holy War" on America
A Moment For Truth
Waiting for the Antichrist
30 Posted on 09/26/2001 20:56:57 PDT by ankaboot (ankaboot@muslimamerica.net)
Don't you wish you were on one of those planes that jetted into the twin towers?
I'll bet you do.
Where are you getting your mail these days? There may be several federal agencies looking for you.
31 Posted on 09/27/2001 12:59:40 PDT by GottliebBerger
He's a muslim terrorist.
32 Posted on 09/27/2001 13:00:30 PDT by GottliebBerger
Give him time. He may be wearing Aklechains soon.
33 Posted on 09/27/2001 13:01:16 PDT by GottliebBerger
Too bad you can't play CD's backwards like you used to be able to do with LP's.
34 Posted on 09/27/2001 13:20:00 PDT by lds23
To: ankaboot
Don't you wish you were on one of those planes that jetted into the twin towers?
I'll bet you do.
Where are you getting your mail these days? There may be several federal agencies looking for you.
31 Posted on 09/27/2001 12:59:40 PDT by GottliebBerger
Actually, I think they're closing in on you folks.
To: P-Marlowe
He's a muslim terrorist.
32 Posted on 09/27/2001 13:00:30 PDT by GottliebBerger
I thought you folks considered that redundant.
To: crazykatz
Give him time. He may be wearing Anklechains soon.
33 Posted on 09/27/2001 13:01:16 PDT by GottliebBerger
Having a little trouble with your agenda, are you?
To: ankaboot
Too bad you can't play CD's backwards like you used to be able to do with LP's.
34 Posted on 09/27/2001 13:20:00 PDT by lds23
Now that the FBI has announced that they have no hard evidence, perhaps you'll help them out with your collection.
Actually this is just a bump. Thanks for the excuses.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
35 Posted on 09/27/2001 13:48:35 PDT by ankaboot (ankaboot@muslimamerica.net)
36 Posted on 09/27/2001 17:59:52 PDT by crazykatzTake all that garbage with you .....THIS IS CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL FORUM...not your own personal PULPIT on your strange religious beliefs!!
I find you VERY OFFENSIVE in light of the deaths of almost 10,000 innocent people at the HANDS OF ISLAMIC TERRORSTS!!
37 Posted on 09/27/2001 18:00:26 PDT by crazykatzBUMP
38 Posted on 09/27/2001 18:05:09 PDT by Storm OrphanBUMP
39 Posted on 09/27/2001 18:43:26 PDT by crazykatzWell, he could shake-shake-shake----shake his anka-BOOTIE!!!
40 Posted on 09/27/2001 18:45:06 PDT by crazykatzI KNOW WHY you are an ORPHAN.....nobody in their RIGHT mind could believe this anka-BOOOTIE CRAP!
41 Posted on 09/27/2001 18:48:50 PDT by Storm OrphanI KNOW WHY you are an ORPHAN.....nobody in their RIGHT mind could believe this anka-BOOOTIE CRAP!
What a remarkably intelligent response.
42 Posted on 09/27/2001 18:59:29 PDT by GWfanYou don't believe Jesus to be the son of God, He is. Jesus spoke the truth when He was on earth. He'll be saying the same thing He told us through scripture when he comes again. You see, the Bible doesn't change as the Koran does. I invite you to read it.
43 Posted on 09/27/2001 19:06:25 PDT by crazykatzWith a great amount to THANKS to viadexter...I re-post his comments from another thread.
Dissimulation - Taquija
Islam's attitude towards lying and honoring agreements with non-Muslims. This conclusion is taken from "The 4th Conference of Islamic Research" at Al Azar University in Cairo, 1970. The teachings at Al Azr University is normative for all Sunni Muslims. For Shiites it is Qum in Iran.
Taquija
The expression taquija means to dissimulate and is used when serving the propagation of Islam or benefitting a Muslim compared to 'infidels'. Lying to 'infidels' is officially acknowledged and is religiously motivated.
Lying is okay
In essence taqija means that a Muslim is allowed to hide his or her intentions in a difficult situation. For instance in regard to Koran interpretations, the more mellow verses are emphasized towards people with no thorough knowledge of the matter, and threatening, harsh verses are hidden.
Mohammed did it
Taqija was practised by the Prophet, Mohammed, himself; in negotiations where he fooled his opponents. For that very reason, Muslims often enter into agreements intending to break them when they have assumed control of the situation.
Active Muslims in the West deny the use of taqija. This emphatic denial of using taqija towards us and the authorities is part of the method used in taqija. Often it leads to confusion on behalf of us and negotiating authorities e.g. the Ministry of the Interior.
Fraud is legitimate
Fraud and lies are religiously permitted means in Islam. A negotiated settlement or an agreement with a Muslim is never final.
6 Posted on 09/27/2001 18:47:43 PDT by viadexter
44 Posted on 09/27/2001 19:08:30 PDT by crazykatzBUMP!! you are GREAT....please read the post about islam and LYING and FRAUD!!
45 Posted on 09/27/2001 20:31:41 PDT by Storm OrphanYou need rest.
46 Posted on 09/28/2001 01:11:38 PDT by FulbrightJean Dixon, the popular astrologer, used to say that the Antichrist was born in Algeria in 1962.
Is he living in Vero Beach now?
47 Posted on 09/28/2001 01:48:38 PDT by armourupThe Antichrist won't be so cool but the true Christ is coming right behind so if you are a christian it all turns out well.
Don't know much about the Koran but am told it keeps Muslims in the 6th century AD culturally. The Bible can be applied in every culture in every generation. Contrary to what many may say...it is relavent to each generation.
I once drew a little wisdom from a practicing Satanist. He said, "I know the difference between the voice of God and the voice of Satan....Gods draws me Satan drives me...I prefer Satan". He was right.(Wrong of course about his choice of god.) Unfortunately, he knew more about the character of God than many christians.
If your religion drives you, even if it is a form of chrisianity, it is not from God. God is love...He draws us to Himself with his character... love...it is not complicated...'till men get ahold of it.
48 Posted on 09/28/2001 01:57:05 PDT by AerialToo funny!
49 Posted on 09/28/2001 01:58:53 PDT by AerialWay too funny!
50 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:15:43 PDT by Samaritan
That's not much of a choice, when the motto of both was "Incest Is Best".
51 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:24:07 PDT by Senator Pardek
52 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:25:19 PDT by Don Myers
Get thee hence.
53 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:27:23 PDT by DainBramage
54 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:28:07 PDT by Storm Orphan
55 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:31:42 PDT by Samaritan
Probably not, but there's a rule that says you have to after 70.
56 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:34:36 PDT by AlGone2001
57 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:35:14 PDT by Ann Archy
That's a lie, Deanna.
Many follow, worship him
That's a lie, Deanna.
and the many idols that adorn their churches
That's a lie, Deanna.
pray to a dead woman they call Mary whom you can trace back to Semirimis, a very wicked queen with a child in her lap called Tammuz.
That's a lie, Deanna.
The vatican ... kill[ed] 65 million [Protestants]
That's a lie, Deanna. Killing 65 million of anybody would leave all kinds of evidence. There isn't any, except for the rantings of haters like you.
from the year 319 A.D. to the 1800's.
That's a lie, Deanna. There were no Protestants in 319 A.D.
BTW, this post is not a flame. It's simply telling the truth, something with which you seem to have a serious problem.
The Bible very clearly describes the quality of the antiChrist: he denies that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. No Pope has ever done that, or will ever do that.
You're wrong, all right. What will you do when you discover you've wasted your life speaking against the Truth Christ died for?
58 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:38:56 PDT by Campion
59 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:40:03 PDT by DainBramage
60 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:43:01 PDT by Don Myers
61 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:43:07 PDT by Slyfox
62 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:45:10 PDT by one_particular_harbour
63 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:45:26 PDT by gjenkins
64 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:45:51 PDT by Samaritan
Jack Chick is a whack job, and his tracts don't constitute serious scholarship.
65 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:47:41 PDT by one_particular_harbour
I would suggest, I'm no "rabid hater".
66 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:48:24 PDT by DainBramage
Aw, come on. She didn't say there were Protestants in 319 -- only Christians. [There have always been some suffering under the RCC -- even now.]
Whether the papacy is the Anti-Christ -- and a fair argument can be made that it is -- or whether a single Anti-Christ is taught by the Scriptures, Deanna has a right to state her opinion without being called a "liar" by a papist. What do the kettle and the pot --- oh, never mind.
67 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:02:21 PDT by winstonchurchill
68 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:07:16 PDT by Slyfox
69 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:10:05 PDT by Slyfox
.......Ankaboot .
70 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:14:23 PDT by DainBramage
71 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:17:22 PDT by Renatus
72 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:17:39 PDT by lds23
Try reading her original post. She used the word "Protestants".
Deanna has a right to state her opinion without being called a "liar" by a papist.
When somebody makes bald statements of "fact" that are lies, I will call them lies. If someone said, "Queen Elizabeth eats Irish children boiled for breakfast," that would be a lie. I would call it a lie. Would you spout some crap about how they had a "right to express their opinion"? I thought not.
The fact that you seem to think I have no right to call a lie a lie because of my religion proves pretty clearly that you have a bit of a religious bigotry problem of your own.
As for my part, I will continue to identify lies as a lies. That's called "testifying to the truth". You'll recall a certain Jewish religious leader who, asked to summarize his mission, did so in precisely those words.
73 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:18:49 PDT by Campion
74 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:21:05 PDT by afbrat
You misunderstand. Catholics do not pray to Mary, they ask Mary as the Mother of Christ to pray for them, now and at the hour of death.
75 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:30:02 PDT by afbrat
Slyfox, read Ralph Woodrow's book, "The Babylon Connection". He's a former Hislop supporter who has gone back to look at Hislop's book (and his own earlier book, "Babylon Mystery Religion") with a critical eye.
Woodrow details dozens of examples of Hislop's misleading statements and glosses about what his sources actually said. (Not to mention that Hislop's sources are extremely dated -- antiquities research has made a little progress since the 1840's!)
What Woodrow doesn't mention is the Hislop is blissfully ignorant of Catholicism. (Remember, Catholicism was only fully legalized in England shortly before Hislop's book was written.) His book is one long attempt to construct imagined similarities between what he imagines Catholicism to be, and what he imagines antiquity to have been. He's typically wrong in both cases.
Example: Hislop says Catholic bishops' mitres come from "Dagon the fish god". Except that bishops' mitres, as they currently exist, date from the 1200's. Where were the Dagon worshippers in the meantime? Oh, and Dagon wasn't a fish god. He was a harvest & grain god. Oops.
Example: Hislop says that Rome insists that communion wafers be round, because Catholics are really sun-worshippers (when we're not worshipping Semiramis, I mean) and the Host has to be a solar symbol. Except that Rome doesn't insist that Communion wafers be round. (Round wafers don't have corners that can break off, and are favored for that reason.) In some Catholic rites, they are bread cubes that look like salad croutons. (Evidently, those Catholics worship salads.)
Hislop's book is not "well-researched". Almost every page is full of glaring errors in fact, logic, or both.
76 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:31:24 PDT by Campion
Hislop's research I found compelling when he described ancient symbols in detail. He was quite accurate and did not embellish anything in that regard. However, he would always lose me toward the end of the chapter. I finally would just stop reading when I bumped into his opinion. I did not think that his conclusions were worth reading quite honestly. It's really too bad he did that because many people don't read his research on ancient symbolism. They concentrate on the anti-Catholic aspect of his book. He would have been better off to have written two separate books.
77 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:47:25 PDT by Slyfox
78 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:50:34 PDT by Gargantua
79 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:02:43 PDT by DainBramage
Now...tell me again, why did we have to tear down the Shah? Oh yes, to put the beloved Khomeini in power.
I do not care to over rationalize this problem, it hurts my head. Where are all of our dear Muslims friends? Are they demonstrating in the street calling for the head of Bin Laden? Oh..I have seen them demonstrating, but they are carrying his head in a picture frame held proudly over head because now he is a hero. IMHO they are wasting perfectly good air better used for our patriots to dispense much needed justice.
Our dear friends in Saudi Arabia do not let us use the bases we need. Muslim dominated countries jail Christians for spreading the gospel, and fanatics blow themselves up for virgins provided by Allah (anka, is there really sex in heaven?).
NEWS FLASH!!!!I DO NOT WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEM! Or you either anka boot. I do not even care if I am wrong. I do not care why the Muslim dominated countries do not trust us, like us or hate us, that is their problem. Empathy to the point of becoming impotent is fool-hardy. It is time to pick a side, any side and then fight or get the hell out of the way. Choose carefully my friend.
I am tired of lukewarm fuzzy types, sometimes the "Redneck" approach is the correct one. No one called for empathy with the Japanese after Pearl Harbor.
Face it... The Muslims countries are a bunch of whiners. They declare war on Israel, lose and whine. I want my land back, I want my country back, the US did not support us enough and on and on and on.... Your religion and it's followers appear weak-minded and seem to be controlled only by kings, dictators and religious thugs. I see pictures on the TV of turban clad men who expouse hate for us while they carry sacks of food from the US on their backs, begging for the tools they can use for our demise. They think we are fools and we prove them right too often.
You think this is a bigoted post? Prove me wrong. Show me the massive pro US Muslim demonstrations. Tell me where are the democratic Muslim countries, show me the outpouring of rage over our 6000+ dead. I say, no more empathy, no more apologies, let us choose sides and get it over with.
80 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:08:48 PDT by bluecollarman
The Bible has many very specific verses concerning prayer; on how to pray, why to pray, and to whom Christians should pray... and not one of them suggests prayer to the Virgin Mary. Not one.
81 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:09:14 PDT by Gargantua
is the Antichrist. Those of you who know what I say, hear me.
82 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:14:20 PDT by Texaggie79
83 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:15:59 PDT by patlaw_guy
84 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:17:48 PDT by patlaw_guy
85 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:18:23 PDT by Texaggie79
86 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:22:31 PDT by Storm Orphan
87 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:26:19 PDT by Senator Pardek
88 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:33:00 PDT by Texaggie79
89 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:33:51 PDT by Texaggie79
90 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:34:23 PDT by Storm Orphan
91 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:39:06 PDT by Texaggie79
just a joke, not a violence post
92 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:43:02 PDT by Storm Orphan
93 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:51:02 PDT by Texaggie79
94 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:54:22 PDT by Storm Orphan
"Atheists are simply people who are to afraid to admit that there is a God."
-- Texaggie79
95 Posted on 10/01/2001 18:08:10 PDT by Texaggie79
96 Posted on 10/01/2001 18:15:35 PDT by Gargantua
Hmmm.
You think this is a bigoted post?
Merely an emotional rant, I don't think it really rises to the level of actual bigotry.
Prove me wrong.
For what? You don't care if you're wrong. And ...
I do not care to over rationalize this problem, it hurts my head.
... I'm not interested in perpetuating your headache. I won't even insist that you read what I write. How's that?
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
97 Posted on 10/01/2001 18:19:47 PDT by ankaboot
And, yes, Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the Father except through him. Nobody in their right mind would conceive of going through Mary to get to the Father apart from Jesus, though. After all, do you realize what the only command of Mary's recorded in Scripture is? "Do whatever he [Jesus] tells you." Sounds to me like she points the way to Jesus, she doesn't compete with him.
98 Posted on 10/01/2001 19:56:31 PDT by Campion
Sorry, I get like that when 6000+ innocents and fellow country men are slaughtered and someone wants me to feel the murderers pain.
I'm not interested in perpetuating your headache. I won't even insist that you read what I write. How's that?
Don't worry, you won't. Anything you write will be hollow and without substance until Muslims and Muslim nations denounce violence and terror, openly and without reservation.
99 Posted on 10/01/2001 20:14:16 PDT by bluecollarman
That certainly has not been me, and 1.2 billion muslims did not fly those planes.
I'm not interested in perpetuating your headache. I won't even insist that you read what I write. How's that?
Don't worry, you won't. Anything you write will be hollow and without substance until Muslims and Muslim nations denounce violence and terror, openly and without reservation.
Which muslims all have done, consistently, and our "free press" is suppressing that side of the news. I can't help you pay attention.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
100 Posted on 10/01/2001 20:29:06 PDT by ankaboot
Is that a scratch? If so, it must have been made by the Hilldabeast.
101 Posted on 10/01/2001 20:36:24 PDT by Vicki
This was a very rational well though out statement made by you on another thread. I have been reading some of your posts, perhaps I was too hasty in attacking you. I withdraw my comments aimed at you personally. I cannot same the same of your muslim brothers in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, and the rest.
I do think you are a bit naive, if the report that 25%(fox news) of mosques in the US are fronts for terrorist is true, then your statement "Americans do not concern ourselves with the religious nut next door -- who, according to some educated minds, irrationally believes in "God" or some such fantasy -- unless and until he makes a problem out of it that endangers others or harms them" would seem to suggest you have a lot of work to do within your religious community.
on another note do you ever visit this board? afghan-web.com if not maybe you should.
102 Posted on 10/01/2001 21:43:19 PDT by bluecollarman
Yup, the old, old error which gave us the foolish additions of the RCC, the Mormons, the Jehovahs Witnesses, et al.
The 'mother of God' appellation is particularly telling. In their interest for anything that would 'tickle their ears' (and give them a 'goddess' like all the other pagans had), the followers of that old error grabbed ahold of a piece of foolishness called the "Infancy Gospel of James" and that became the basis for granting a 'title' to a poor, dead jewish woman who never claimed to be a goddess or wanted to be 'prayed to'. The "council of Ephesis' did that in 431. But, alas, a reformer 'pope' (Gelasius AD 492-495)declared it strictly fraudulent and tried desparately to bring the church back to the Bible. But the old error folks had to have the papist 'escape valve' so they could write their own religion and they continue to make statements to make old Gelasius spin, such as "...It's even more of a stretch to assert that the Bible spells out every aspect of a Christian's obligations."
After all, say the papists, why can't we just make it up as we go along? By the way, they are not done. There is a 'proposal' pending in the RCC(if you can believe it) to make declare Mary a 'co-savior' with Christ. Is it any wonder it is so hard to find a true Christian in the RCC? They have buried the "pea" of Christian Truth under so many "mattresses" of 'tradition', foolishless and man-made 'add-ons', it is hard to find someone sensitive enough to the leading of the Spirit to ignore the mattresses and find the pea.
103 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:00:09 PDT by winstonchurchill
For later reading.
104 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:08:27 PDT by DreamWeaver
105 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:43:12 PDT by sirgawain
106 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:52:40 PDT by Texaggie79
107 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:57:19 PDT by Texaggie79
108 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:19:37 PDT by sirgawain
NO, if you look on the link I gave you, it has a chat transcript on the right hand side of when he chatted with viewers of ABC. Someone asked him that.
He even gives out his email address if you want to find out more about his plans.
109 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:09:29 PDT by Texaggie79
110 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:19:36 PDT by sirgawain
Ah. I see.
That explains everything. I thank you for your revealing reply.
111 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:42:55 PDT by Gargantua
112 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:59:42 PDT by Texaggie79
113 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:04:18 PDT by sirgawain
114 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:09:45 PDT by Texaggie79
115 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:25:50 PDT by sirgawain
116 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:30:22 PDT by Texaggie79
117 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:35:28 PDT by sirgawain
118 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:38:48 PDT by Texaggie79
IT'S TRUE!!!!!!!!
119 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:40:48 PDT by Texaggie79
120 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:51:34 PDT by patlaw_guy
121 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:52:43 PDT by sirgawain
OK -- fess up -- who called for the cable guy?
122 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:08:43 PDT by ReaganGirl
123 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:16:33 PDT by Texaggie79
Have you been deceived?
124 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:25:25 PDT by Triple
I have to admit it; I agree with you. This little kid sounds like an alien or something. LOL (I think)
125 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:47:39 PDT by Josephine
I had already forgotten them (that's my habit), thanks for bringing yourself to my attention by coming up so straight.
I do think you are a bit naive, if the report that 25%(fox news) of mosques in the US are fronts for terrorist is true, then your statement "Americans do not concern ourselves with the religious nut next door -- who, according to some educated minds, irrationally believes in "God" or some such fantasy -- unless and until he makes a problem out of it that endangers others or harms them" would seem to suggest you have a lot of work to do within your religious community.
I addressed that report -- and your observation -- in Avenging the flying pigs just a few minutes ago, I'll quote that Thread:
Sorry to pop your bubble, but the Saudi Wahhabis and their pet professional "umbrella" organizations own more mosques than that, mostly held by the North American Islamic Trust, and their local "elected" hothead leaderships do not reflect the views and beliefs of the muslims who attend those mosques, who can't be bothered with the "mosque politics" of the unmarried singles set. Kabbani had it wrong when he cried wolf at the State Department, too, he's isolated from the mainstreams of Muslim America as well, off in his mystical bubble so attractive to would-be "sufi" Americans.on another note do you ever visit this board? afghan-web.com if not maybe you should.That is a potential of about 12,500 terrorist cells if there are about 20 to a cell. Even if you assume that half with radical leanings would never act on them that still leaves a potential 6,250 ... feel better now?
There was a would-be wannabe "Palestinian mujahid" in Portland about twenty years ago named Fa'iz -- he hated me with a passion for knowing Islam better than he did -- an adventuresome lad who was fully under the scrutiny of the FBI wherever he went. Half the people with Green Cards are FBI informants, there's not much mystery about what people talk about "after hours."
Today, there are some armchair wannabe radical Wahhabi types, and some armchair wannabe radical Palestinian communists, and some armchair wannabe radical Khomeiniyyah varieties -- all talk, usually for the benefit of their American girlfriends and other radicals -- who are under much closer scrutiny than ever before, including by the eyes of eleven million American muslims who have never considered them anything other than an annoyance.
Where there's evidence, there are arrests.
The place to look for the dangerous madmen is not at America's mosques, they're not there. They're never there. Whatever "support" they might have from the wannabes, they get in apartments miles away from the mosques. The place to look for them is in the bars and discos, "blending in." And they're not out loudmouthing, either.
Muslims have a life, we don't need the television and Hollywood fantasies.
I've been tracking America's mosques and Islamic Centers for over thirty years, with demographic analyses and party affiliations, since back when there were only a few hundred. I'm sure the FBI's current information is much better than mine. I'd be surprised if, since rolling up the Egyptian network, there were more than a dozen mosques that actually have any connections with anything other than wannabe adventuresome young roosters, crowing. And I'm even more sure that the FBI is on top of that.
I took a look, I haven't the time to wade through another collection of Threads. Free Republic is getting all of my time, except for sorting through my incoming mail. I even managed to clear my pending federal court civil case, I settled it because Free Republic is a higher priority for me at the moment. (And I really didn't want to file a Summary Judgment Response Memorandum and prepare for a federal trial!)
My information on Afghanistan and most of the millennial muslim world comes (some in encrypted emails) from people on the ground. It's spotty in places, but usually holographic, and I know the Tariqa allegiances of most of the various leaderships from the inside. Maulana Muhammad 'Umar of Afghanistan is young, and he came to the Qadiri through a Deobandi area, but what he's saying is completely consistent with what I would expect of someone with his background. It's a pretty good way of checking the integrity of international news reporting -- when such reporting actually happens between propaganda segments.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
126 Posted on 10/02/2001 20:59:08 PDT by ankaboot
I can't for the life of me figure out how any man in his right mind would imagine keeping company with seventy-two women, virgins or otherwise, sleeping with him or not, as some kind of "paradise." Isn't living with one woman (or for the masochistic, more than one) enough indication of what life surrounded by seventy-two would be like?
Looks like something that might hold some imaginary appeal to a masturbatory adolescent. It certainly seems to tittilate the beer and bacon crowd.
Have you been deceived?
No, but you have been. There's no such "72 virgins" thing in the teachings of Islam, it's made up out of whole cloth.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
127 Posted on 10/02/2001 21:08:05 PDT by ankaboot
128 Posted on 10/08/2001 07:09:45 PDT by Deanna Knapp
UPDATE: President George H.W. Bush in a speech to Congress on SEPTEMBER 11, 1990,
SAID THIS:
"[The war in Iraq is] a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of
cooperation. Out of these troubled times...a new world order can emerge."
Exactly 11 years later, to the EXACT DAY, the ILLUMINATI ATTACK AMERICA is an obvious
effort to force Americans into the NEW WORLD ORDER. Once again the number 11 appears
paramount, and proves beyond doubt the involvement of the Illuminati.
NEWS BRIEF: "U.S. Begins Military Strike", BBC News.com.uk, 7 October, 2001.
"The United States has begun a military strike on Afghanistan. President Bush described the attacks, which also involve British forces, as a new front in the operation to combat terrorism. There were reports of loud explosions and anti-aircraft fire in the Afghan capital Kabul and the cities of Kandahar and Jalalabad. Explosions and fires were also reported in the northern city of Mazar-e Sharif."
"US Defense Department officials said that cruise missiles had been used in the attack."
The "second shoe to drop" in this scenario has proven to come from American and British military units attacking Afghanistan. Infrastructure was reported to be the first and primary targets: antiaircraft positions, air terminals, key roads and bridges, and key installations.
Now, if Western Intelligence is correct, the next "shoe to drop" will be another Arab terrorist attack on America and perhaps Britain. This week may prove to be an eventful week. We shall keep you posted on events as they occur.
We can only marvel that President Bush has chosen October 7, 2001, as the date on which to respond to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. We have reported in NEWS1533, NEWS1538, NEWS1541, and NEWS1545 that the original attacks had the occult signature of '11' written all over. This date, October 7, 2001, adds up to an '11' also! [1 + 0 + 7 + 2 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 11]!!
Choosing this date as the one on which to launch this attack keeps the entire planned episode keyed on the number, '11'. Since the Bible tells us Antichrist will be the 11th Horn [Daniel 7:7-8], it is most telling that our leaders keep these events attuned to the number '11'.
Please pray at this most interesting, and eventful, time in world history.
David Bay, Director Cutting Edge Ministries
The Cutting Edge http://www.cuttingedge.org
129 Posted on 10/08/2001 07:23:05 PDT by It'salmosttolate
130 Posted on 10/08/2001 07:30:46 PDT by jmswope
131 Posted on 10/08/2001 18:21:33 PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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