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For Immediate Release
SEE: http://www.masnet.org/
The Position of US National Muslim Organizations on the Prospect of War
Washington DC, September 18, 2001 -- In light of recent terrorist attacks on America, the United States has embarked on a very serious course of reactions. The prospect of war in particular is of concern to all Muslims around the world, and to American Muslims as well. Therefore, we found it imperative on us as American Muslim organizations to offer our sincere advice to our government and to our fellow citizens.
We would like to make it absolutely clear that we join all other Americans in our unequivocal condemnation of the attacks as un-Islamic, barbaric, and inhumane. We also want to point out that retaliation against the perpetrators, their accomplices, and the network of associates is a must, to protect against future possible similar incidents. We urge our government to ensure the establishment of internationally accepted factual legal evidence beyond reasonable doubt before the development or execution of any response plan. Retaliation must be limited to the perpetrators, their accomplices and their network of associates. It is important that we present the legal evidence to the world and to the nation harboring the suspected terrorists, and demand the surrender of the terrorists by an announced deadline, before targeting such nation with the prospect of war. Such precautions, we believe, will guarantee the firmness and continuation of the international coalition we are building against international terrorism. If the above precautions are not considered, we fear that other actions may lead to the increase of anti-American sentiments and extremism, which are salient factors in terrorism. We must not allow any country or group to manipulate this terrible tragedy to further its own narrow self-interest, while we are all bleeding and mourning.
Additionally, the vast cooperation exhibited by US Muslims with law enforcement should not be an opportunity by law enforcement to circumvent or abridge the legal rights and civil liberties of the Muslim community.
Finally, the United States, being the world's sole superpower, must reflect in its foreign policies our national interests as well as the global interest of other nations, especially oppressed peoples. We suggest that the US commission an objective study to examine the possible relationship between our foreign policies and the anti-American sentiment that has engulfed many nations.
We found it necessary to present this sincere heartfelt advice to our government and to our citizenry here in the United States in order to abate the scourge of international terrorism.
Signed:
Muslim American Society (MAS), Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), American Muslim Council (AMC), United Association for Studies and Research (UASR), Solidarity International for Human Rights (SIHR).
Nice to see these people agree on something.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
1 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:17:17 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
Finally, the United States, being the world's sole superpower, must reflect in its foreign policies our national interests as well as the global interest of other nations, especially oppressed peoples. We suggest that the US commission an objective study to examine the possible relationship between our foreign policies and the anti-American sentiment that has engulfed many nations.
In other words, "Bow to our demands regarding Israel or we'll do it again."
2 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:27:19 PDT by Inyokern
its not the muslims fault - the taliban have been out of control for too long - and need to be eliminated - they have been terrorizing afghanistan too long - and allowed terrorist to run out of control.
3 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:29:51 PDT by candyman34
Out of interest , how do Muslims really feel about the native non muslim people of nations they are invading.
Is it really your intention , as so often reported , that muslims want the world to be entirely muslim ?
A real answer , not hyperbole , no crap ..what do you want from us and why do you not assimilate ?
4 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:30:47 PDT by Angus_Day
What does the Qur'an say about Jihad?
The Qur'an is the single most important authority in all of Islam. It is the scripture given from Allah through the angel Gabriel. Does the Qur'an teach Jihad? Absolutely yes. As you will see in the following quotes from the Qur'an, Holy War is definitely taught and encouraged.
What does the Hadith say about Jihad?
The Hadith are the recorded sayings and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad. It is second in authority only to the Qur'an and is often used to clarify things not specified in the Qur'an. What did Muhammad say about Jihad as recorded in the Hadith?
Obviously Muhammad taught that Holy War was an acceptable and good thing to do. To clarify, he even stated that if a Muslim were to die in battle, fighting for the cause of Allah, that he would be
guaranteed to go to Paradise.What is the Koran? - 99.01 Gerd-R. Puin's current thinking about the Koran's history partakes of this contemporary revisionism. "My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad," he says. "Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants."
5 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:31:23 PDT by Manny Festo
....John Ashcroft: "List those organizations and get wiretap warrants immediately."
Possible Front organizations??
6 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:33:13 PDT by rbmillerjr
MUSLIM EXTREMISTS SILENCE MAJOR MEDIA
As Emerson testified at length, after the World Trade Center bombing, radical fundamentalist Islamic organizations established themselves firmly throughout the United States by creating a network of non-profit organizations under 501 c (3) tax-free legislation. Under the cover of humanitarian causes, these organizations fanned the flames among American Muslims, sometimes inciting them to violence in huge conferences and rallies unnoticed by the American government. At the same time, they raised money for "suicide martyrs" in Palestine and elsewhere, operated a military training camp in Arizona, and provided the money for a stream of terrorists to enter and leave the country at will. In short, militant Islamic groups in America "experienced freedoms and maneuverability they never experienced in their native lands" while they used these freedoms to express their "ideological hatred for the United States."
Two powerful "civil rights" organizations have emerged, both essentially fronts for fundamentalist factions. The Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the American Muslim Council (AMC). CAIR is, Emerson testifies, is an offshoot of several terrorist groups such as Hamas and fronts that represent it. With shifting memberships and names, a "vast infrastructure" spreads propaganda, raises money for relief to the families of suicide bombers, and plans major campaigns against the enemy, the United States and its ally Israel. Now that Islam has secured a degree of cultural respectability, Islamic fundamentalists are able to use foundations and universities for their purposes, always cloaking pro-terrorist activities and plans as religion, social work, charity, and political pressure. The Islamic Jihad, one of the most lethal terrorist actions in the world, was based as a network of think tanks at the University of South Florida, where Islamic university professors carried on a campaign to sponsor "martyrs" in the holy war against Israel.
CAIR and the AMC have mounted a steady effort to silence all criticism or unfavorable publicity from journalists and media. Using cues from other pressure groups, they react immediately to any mention of Islam they consider unfavorable. Each of these they treat as a threat or as "an attack on Islam," and through carefully calibrated barrages of phone calls, press releases, and cries of "Islamophobia," they have managed to extract public apologies from news agencies, journalists, and politicians. When arrests are made under the AntiTerrorism Act of 1996, CAIR and AMC beat the anti-Islam drum, evoking cries of outrage from major liberal newspapers and congressmen.
Bin Laden and Herndon, Virginia - Middle East analysis article by Daniel Pipes
Just over two months later, two bombs went off nearly simultaneously at the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and wounding thousands.
When the US government brought four of the embassy bombers to trial in New York City this year, it focused on the phone powered by the battery from Herndon; assistant US attorney Kenneth Karas called it "the phone that Bin Laden and the others will use to carry out their war against the United States." The trial also established Hamdi's centrality to Bin Laden.
After five months, a jury found all four bombers guilty of all 302 charges against them, validating the prosecutor's interpretation of Hamdi's role.
Which is where I come in.
Explaining this guilty verdict in The Wall Street Journal on May 31, I co-authored an article with Steven Emerson arguing in favor of this outcome, but pointing out that it did little to protect American lives; defeating Bin Ladin and his murderous gang will require the US government to deploy armed forces, not policemen and lawyers.
The article then focused on the huge body of evidence made public in the trial proceedings, noting that Bin Laden had "set up a tightly organized system of cells" in six American cities, including the small town of Herndon - an allusion to Hamdi.
Picking up on this reference, Jeannie Baumann, a reporter at The Herndon Observer, contacted us to learn more. Emerson explained to her Hamdi's role and several times referred her to the complete court transcripts available in the Internet. But Baumann spurned his offers, replying that her newspaper is "not equipped to handle such information." Instead of doing research, Baumann turned to Herndon's police chief, Toussaint E. Summers Jr., for an opinion. He in turn called the FBI, which told him nothing. From this lack of information, Summers blithely concluded that "there appears to be no truth... at all" to a Bin Laden-Herndon connection.
Baumann then cited this opinion to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), for a statement. Ibrahim Hooper, the spokesman for this Islamist organization (and sometime Bin Laden apologist), pounced on the police chief's statement and declared our Wall Street Journal article inaccurate and prejudicial against Muslims. Baumann's article, published on June 15, then carried the title "Police, Muslims Refute Herndon Link to Terrorism."
This episode clearly demonstrates three problematic Western responses to Islamist violence: law enforcement officials resist the fact that this scourge exists in their jurisdictions. Reporters fail to do the spadework needed to dig out stories in their own backyards. And the most prominent Islamic organizations shamelessly talk away Islamist terrorism and smear anyone who points out the realities of this hideous phenomenon.
If Bin Laden and his band of killers are to be stopped, it will take more vigilance from law enforcement officers like Summers, better journalism from reporters like Baumann, and the rise of moderate Muslims who will take the microphone out of the hands of extremists like Hooper.
7 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:35:00 PDT by Manny Festo
We urge our government to ensure the establishment of internationally accepted factual legal evidence beyond reasonable doubt before the development or execution of any response plan. Retaliation must be limited to the perpetrators, their accomplices and their network of associates
and
Finally, the United States, being the world's sole superpower, must reflect in its foreign policies our national interests as well as the global interest of other nations, especially oppressed peoples. We suggest that the US commission an objective study to examine the possible relationship between our foreign policies and the anti-American sentiment that has engulfed many nations.
These people just don't get it. Acts of war, as these attacks are, require a military response, not legalism and the acquiescence of other countries before we act. And, we must target their supporters as well as the direct perpetrators.
Further, even though I am not entirely happy with US policy in the Middle East, to even suggest that we should even consider altering our policies in the way the terrorists demand, and to favor those who celebrated the vicious murder of innocent Americans, is ridiculous.
These organizations are trying to appear to be supporting the US, while hedging it in conditions that would please most of the looney hate America left.
Nice try, but don't expect the American people to buy it. Let's check all their green cards, and keep all of them under surveillance.
8 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:47:18 PDT by CatoRenasci
"Retaliation must be limited to the perpetrators, their accomplices and their network of associates. It is important that we present the legal evidence to the world and to the nation harboring the suspected terrorists, and demand the surrender of the terrorists by an announced deadline, before targeting such nation with the prospect of war. "
They are not in a position to dictate anything. If they are not for the U.S., they are against U.S. and should leave immediately. Be anti-Semitic elswehere.
9 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:50:28 PDT by nmh
"We suggest that the US commission an objective study to examine the possible relationship between our foreign policies and the anti-American sentiment that has engulfed many nations. "
In other words the United States is at fault and we shouldn't blame the terrorists of their SAME beliefs for what they did. We should also stop supporting Israel since they are against Israel. Again, if you don't like it here, LEAVE.
10 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:52:22 PDT by nmh
Finally, the United States, being the world's sole superpower, must reflect in its foreign policies our national interests as well as the global interest of other nations, especially oppressed peoples
Falwellian twist.
11 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:53:31 PDT by AppyPappy
CAIR - PLEASE NOW TELL US YOUR POSITION ON BIN LADEN!!!
What is the Council on American-Islamic Relations?
CAIR is a particularly worrisome organization because it has succeeded in portraying
itself as a public affairs organization promoting "interest and understanding among
the general public with regards to Islam and Muslims in North America." In fact, this
organization is radical to the core; it seeks nothing less than the imposition of
Islamist mores on the United States.
CAIR's record includes the following unpleasantries:
Apologizing for such killers as Hamas (a group associated with the murder of
7 Americans) and Usama bin Ladin (charged with the Tanzania and Kenya
embassy bombings a year ago).
Helping promote terrorism: In the words of Steve Pomerantz, a former Chief
of Counterterrorism for the FBI, "CAIR, its leaders, and its activities,
effectively give aid to international terrorist groups."
Intimidation of patriotic Muslims who disagree with CAIR's chauvinist agenda:
In one case (Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani), the FBI is looking into
charges that he received death threats after renouncing the chauvinists.
Permitting a potential unindicted co-conspirator in the World Trade Center
bombing of 1993 to sit on its board.
Defense of even the most archaic and barbaric of customs associated with
Islam: When a prosecutor in Cleveland argued that the bail of two young
men being held for an "honor killing" of their female cousin should be
increased, CAIR replied by accusing him of "ethnic and religious stereotyping"
and called for a formal investigation into the prosecutor's actions.
Sponsorship of blatant antisemitism: At a May 1998 rally at Brooklyn College
co-sponsored by CAIR, one speaker referred to Jews as "descendants of the
apes."
In short, CAIR represents not the great civilization of Islam but a radical utopian
movement originating in the Middle East that seeks to impose its ways on the
United States. Americans should consider themselves warned: a new danger exists
in their midst.
CAIR also has a history of vituperation and aggressiveness against anyone who
opposes its Islamist vision for the United States. In my case, it has been sending
out tirades since July 1999; these have landed everywhere from the op-ed page of
the Minneapolis Star-Tribune to the hands of street picketers in Washington, D.C. and
Cornell University.
For more information on CAIR, see my article "How Dare You Defame Islam,"
Commentary, November 1999, at http://www.danielpipes.org/articles/199911.shtml.
Also see Steven Emerson's, Senate testimonies of February 1998 (at
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6453/emerson.html) and January 2000 (at
http://www.house.gov/judiciary/emer0125.htm).
from:Daniel Pipes - http://www.danielpipes.org/cair.shtml
10 Posted on 09/13/2001 10:49:15 PDT by Lent
12 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:43:22 PDT by Manny Festo
Condemned by their own lips. They would have been much better off just keeping their mouths shut.
13 Posted on 09/20/2001 14:01:30 PDT by Bonaparte
Falwellian twist."
LOL!
Fartwell was merely trying to make a buck while getting his name in the press.
14 Posted on 09/20/2001 14:08:55 PDT by ofMagog
I couldn't care less whether "terrorism is really Islamic" or not. What I want to know is this - Where are the Muslims who will stand up and say, "We will FULLY cooperate with the FBI and other investigators to root out terrorist cells in the US, even if they are in our own mosques. We PROMISE to turn in those who are planning terrorist attacks, even if the conspirators are in our own mosques and in our own families." I don't know about you, but I've heard *nothing* to that effect, just "Islam is a peaceful religion," and "our feelings are so hurt." Well, forget that nonsense. Personally, I want to hear assurances of cooperation, backed up by *action.*
15 Posted on 09/20/2001 14:28:04 PDT by ikanakattara
They can take their demand for evidence and stuff it, we don't intend to go legal and be entangled in pointless negotiations, we are at war.
Appoint a commission to study why we are hated by Arab nations? ROFLOL
Between this and their leader telling them that they are not obligated to help the FBI, it is clear which side of the fence they are on.
16 Posted on 09/20/2001 14:37:09 PDT by MissAmericanPie
"We urge our government to ensure the establishment of internationally accepted factual legal evidence beyond reasonable doubt before the development or execution of any response plan."
No way, dude, this is not a criminal offense, this is war.
Quotes like this make me believe that, in fact, there IS widespread support among muslims for what these fanatics do, and that these clerics are hiding behind the law now.
If muslims are REALLY against the terrorists, then why hasn't someone declared a JIHAD or issued a FATWAH against the terrorists? Why, because you prefer them to us infidels, now and always.
Just shut up and admit it.
You can't have it both ways: It's war, dude, get ready.
17 Posted on 09/20/2001 14:45:04 PDT by caddie
Amen, ikanakattara. Let there be no refuge in neutrality, not here and not in foreign lands. Those who advocate for our enemies are our enemies.
18 Posted on 09/20/2001 18:34:43 PDT by Bonaparte
Salaam!
Cry havoc and loose the dogs of war?
Well, woof woof all you like then.
The fact remains that every lead has petered out to a blind alley or a wild goose chase, and every piece of "evidence" unearthed has proved to be falsified, and we -- Americans -- have NO IDEA who is behind the terrorist attack. NO IDEA and no clue and no way to find one.
That's the fact. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
And you think Bin Laden or some Arab is that good at covering their tracks? Who's that good at covering their tracks? Come on, who's that good?
Crackerjack. Professional. Sophisticated. Capable.
Not one fact. Everything leads nowhere.
Bin Laden couldn't do that in a million years, his pawns certainly couldn't.
So whodunit? We've been had. And America and some Americans are doing exactly what the terrorists want.
You probably think there won't be another attack because we're out there jumping up and down and shouting, don't you. Well, get ready. I don't think any of us -- me included -- is ready for what's going to come next. And I don't think there's a thing anyone can do to prevent it, whatever it is.
Tried prayer lately?
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
19 Posted on 09/23/2001 04:45:15 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
If you'd like to believe that there's "no evidence," please be my guest. We're going to be attacked repeatedly no matter what we do. We can either reduce the number of attacks by taking action or we can go quietly like sheep to the slaughter. It's not hard to figure out which way you'd prefer to go.
20 Posted on 09/23/2001 08:29:17 PDT by Bonaparte
"Retaliation must be limited to the perpetrators, their accomplices and their network of associates. It is important that we present the legal evidence to the world and to the nation harboring the suspected terrorists, and demand the surrender of the terrorists by an announced deadline, before targeting such nation with the prospect of war. "
How does is this quotation reconciled with the Taliban's vow to kill all Americans, not just the actual "terrorists" and without proof beyond a reasonable doubt? Does Islam have any beliefs involving honesty? If so, how do these organizations square those beliefs with their statement?
21 Posted on 09/23/2001 09:09:02 PDT by monocle
PS Since all the suicide bombers were Muslim and since they with malice aforetought selected a target with only known civilians, it would seem that the burden of proof is on these organizations to proof that they were not guilty which can be shown by offering proof that radical Muslims were involved. I do not blame all Muslims, but I resent the fact that some Muslims are suggesting that innocent parties have the burden of proof. It is in the best interests of good Muslims to offer proof of the guilty parties and the offering of such proof would go a long way in demostrating their good faith.
22 Posted on 09/23/2001 09:18:30 PDT by monocle
"We urge our government to ensure the establishment of internationally accepted factual legal evidence beyond reasonable doubt before the development or execution of any response plan"
"...as well as the global interest of other nations"
IOW make certain that the UN has approved of your actions first before you take any action. No-brainer here...the palesinian-loving UN hates the U.S.. The read-between-the-lines stuff in this article shows their real posture. Globalists!
baa
23 Posted on 09/23/2001 09:34:11 PDT by woollyone
Translation:
The US and Israeli security apparatus did it to discredit Islam and to justify destruction of Islam. Cite: Reichstag fire, Germany. Rise of Hitler and NAZIism.
Pulleeze. Facts are, Islam teaches hatred and destruction of "Kafir". The seeds of this conflict were sown 1,600 years ago when ignorant tribesmen got sucked into a lunatic's so-called visions of "G_d". The inherent contradictions between Islam and the Judeo-Christian legacy are too great to ignore. Islam lies and deceives when it claims to be the prophecy of "G_d" as extended from the People of the Book.
P.T.Barnum was NOT the first wildly successful snake oil salesman: Muhammed was.
24 Posted on 09/23/2001 09:51:29 PDT by Thumper1960
Why have you refused to answer the specific questions posted in posts 15 and 17? Not only have you failed to defend the Muslim posture in general, you, yourself refuse to state catagorically that you are willing to provide FULL cooperation with the FBI investigation. Your posts only prove the exact thing that many have been saying about the muslims in this country..."we're soo opressed and misunderstood and it's soo unfair, because after all, we love this country soo much! (but were gonna stand by own own muslim people and not assist you in finding the perps)". The truth is, the muslim religion is more dear to muslims than this nation, so don't be angry when Americans are angry with you, stare at you in the marketplace, question your love of this country, and generally not trust you.
"You are either with U.S. or with the terrorists!" Pick one and act like you mean it, or shut up and accept the results.
"wash-salaami" to you to.
baa
25 Posted on 09/23/2001 09:52:07 PDT by woollyone
What? We're not gonna get treated to one of your typical evasive, double-speak, mis-directing responses? Hmmm.
baa d
26 Posted on 09/23/2001 10:01:57 PDT by woollyone
Why have you refused to answer the specific questions posted in posts 15 and 17?
Well, let's see ... it's three in the morning, I've only been up dealing with responsible muslim community heads and rational federal authorities for more hours than I care to count, I guess I can fritter away a few more minutes with a nut case, just for light-weight amusement before I turn in ... so ... post 15 in this Thread then ...
I couldn't care less whether "terrorism is really Islamic" or not.
Yeah, I know you couldn't. And I suppose you'll be all offended and indignant because I find your mouthy babbling laughable.
What I want to know is this - Where are the Muslims who will stand up and say, "We will FULLY cooperate with the FBI and other investigators to root out terrorist cells in the US, even if they are in our own mosques. We PROMISE to turn in those who are planning terrorist attacks, even if the conspirators are in our own mosques and in our own families."
Lately they've been spending time with their local contacts in the FBI. Then some of them call me and I debrief them as the same FBI trained me to do during COINTELPRO. That's where my information comes from that the "evidence" has all turned out to be red herrings, blind alleys, and wild goose chases. As for "where" they are specifically, I think you don't have a need to know that.
I don't know about you,
That's pretty obvious.
... but I've heard *nothing* to that effect, just "Islam is a peaceful religion," and "our feelings are so hurt."
Not from me you haven't heard that, my feelings aren't hurt in the slightest. I've been a little too busy for any kind of self-pity. That would be feeding into the terrorists' game plan like you're doing.
Actually, I think that three senseless murders and forty crimes under investigation with most of the perpetrators in custody is much milder than the terrorists expected. You're playing right into their hands, of course, running right where they've chased your chest-pounding self.
Well, forget that nonsense. Personally, I want to hear assurances of cooperation, backed up by *action.*
I think you're likely to hear very little. Loose lips sink ships, and your motor-mouth is completely out of control. Any responsible intelligence professional would avoid stimulating your fantasies and use you for disinformation purposes only.
Not only have you failed to defend the Muslim posture in general, you, yourself refuse to state catagorically that you are willing to provide FULL cooperation with the FBI investigation. Your posts only prove the exact thing that many have been saying about the muslims in this country ... "we're soo oppressed and misunderstood and it's soo unfair, because after all, we love this country soo much! (but were gonna stand by own own muslim people and not assist you in finding the perps)".
I don't recall hearing anything like that since the Sixties in the ghettos. And your one-note song, of course.
The truth is, the muslim religion is more dear to muslims than this nation, so don't be angry when Americans are angry with you, stare at you in the marketplace, question your love of this country, and generally not trust you.
Oh, please don't trust me. Take everything I say with a grain of salt, I wouldn't want to be responsible for misleading you ... it's completely unnecessary, you're so far out in left field that I really would prefer that you not cite me as a reference for anything.
Okay, so nothing in fifteen that warrants any thought, it's all mindless raving out of the comics pages, what about 17 ...
"We urge our government to ensure the establishment of internationally accepted factual legal evidence beyond reasonable doubt before the development or execution of any response plan."
Looks like the rest of the world is starting to say the same thing, the more evident it becomes that we have no evidence at all that points to who did this.
No way, dude, this is not a criminal offense, this is war.
Quotes like this make me believe that, in fact, there IS widespread support among muslims for what these fanatics do, and that these clerics are hiding behind the law now.
If muslims are REALLY against the terrorists, then why hasn't someone declared a JIHAD or issued a FATWAH against the terrorists?
Actually I have issued a fatwa, a legitimate one, ripping that so-called fatwa attributed to Bin Laden to shreds. Did you miss it, or are you just unable to read and understand law? It appears that "Law" to you is ... how did you put it ... "these clerics are hiding behind the law now" ... so then, "law" is something to "hide behind" as far as you're concerned. What is it that you have to hide, that you see law that way?
Why, because you prefer them to us infidels, now and always.
Just shut up and admit it.
I've read enough from Mullah Muhammad 'Umar that I'm fairly certain that I would prefer his company to raving drunks. Should you be sober, then really you should seek help, you appear pretty unstable from here. Maybe too much pepperoni pizza?
You can't have it both ways: It's war, dude, get ready.
So far it's looking like a movie. With your raving, a comedy of errors. You've been had -- someone did this and pushed all your buttons, and every scrap of "evidence" has proved, on thorough investigation by our own professional FBI, to be red herrings. Makes your raving seem a little hollow, like you're reading from a script written by the terrorists. "Kill'em all and let God sort'em out" seems to be the pinnacle of your brilliant analysis of no evidence whatsoever as to who did it. But hey, who needs facts anyway, right? This is war.
Well, you're right, it's war. Against the Unites States. It looks to many of us that someone is trying to destroy the United States as a global power, and quite possibly to an extent that we couldn't recover. While you're yelling at shadows and shaking your popsicle stick, there are some of us hoping to prevent a germ warfare attack that we fully expect, which plays into the apocalyptic scenario that we think is driving the terrorists' strategy. So far the demoralization component of the Tuesday attack is running right down the middle of their game plan. And so is your raving.
But I'm ready, thank you. (Yaaawn)
Okay, nothing in seventeen either. That's two.
"You are either with U.S. or with the terrorists!" Pick one and act like you mean it, or shut up and accept the results.
I'm with the Republican Party, actually. Elected and all that. Probably won't get me close enough to Bush to point out that the evidence locker is plumb empty, but I'm confident that someone will let him know that. It's Colin Powell I'm wondering about, he seems to be getting the short end of the stick in terms of intelligence product.
"wash-salaami" to you to.
Is that a pizza recipe?
baa
Oh. Sheeple. Okay, now I understand.
So nothing in 25 either, just a bunch of verbal diarrhea.
Really you should see someone about that blood pressure problem. Maybe some lithium or something.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
27 Posted on 09/24/2001 03:56:10 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
Dear ladies and gentleman, FYI we have an activist in here with nothing better to do than argue all day long. Having been asked to shut up about spreading propoganda about his religion and politics on news.grc.com, he proceeds to come here and spread more propoganda. Unemployed and scrounging off state welfare while exercising his freedom of speech which also covers telling lies and twisting anything people post and deliberately quoting out of context. You should be aware that (ankaboot) aka (Abujamal) aka (Dawud Ahmad Al-Amriki) is well known across many newsgroups as a TROLL. A visit to grc.news.feedback and grc.ten-forward a week or so back will give you an indication of what this guy is all about. He loves nothing better than to expose peoples names and addresses if they disagree with him or his activist minions. He will argue forever about nothing just for arguements sake and he is best off completely ignored as he always has to have the last word. Ignoring him completely like so many others do upsets him all the more and he goes away with his tail between his legs to spread FUD elsewhere. You will also find his propoganda on muslim groups on deja. A visit to his website at http://www.muslimamerica.net will give you an idea that this guy is a troublemaker first class. He uses 3 different email addresses that are well known muslims@earthlink.net abujamal@pchelpers.org and muslims@muslimamerica.net. Dawud Ahmad Al-Amriki, Muslim America, P.O. Box 231, Springdale, WA, 99173-0231, tel. (509) 258-9031, fax 1 (800) Muslims. Springdale, WA USA Here are some other useful details about this TROLL that is trying to hide his identity under this new alias. Beware like all TROLLS he has many aliases but he is easy to spot from his email addresses and the propoganda he spreads. He claims the only hope for America is Islam and that if you insult him that you should be careful his more militant brothers do not get to hear of it from him. Do a little research on him with the above search criteria and you will turn up alsorts of fundamentalist and radical activist crap, screaming for jihad and many more of his cut and paste ramblings posted to enflame and poke a reaction. Hey Abujamal, Give it up TROLL the game is up. We know what you are. We know what you stand for and we know what you are up to. *vome*
28 Posted on 09/24/2001 18:18:43 PDT by vome
This sounds like Hillary and Gore wrote it.
29 Posted on 09/24/2001 18:24:08 PDT by dalebert
Salaam!
Glad you could make it. Welcome to Free Republic com, the on-line home of middle America.
Freepers, I know this poster from the computer privacy and internetworking security newsgroups hosted by Steve Gibson, who is currently helping the FBI -- at their request and in conjunction with the National Infrastructure Protection Center -- search for leads to those behind the Tuesday terrorist attack. At the request of the National Security Council through CERT (I've forgotten what that stands for), Steve Gibson has also written a basic introduction to what Americans will need to do in order to do their part in the cyber war that is also being waged by the terrorists. It will be public in a short time, you can read it now on Steve's newsgroups .
This post is *not* representative of news.grc.com/grc.news.feedback where we were discussing the Ida Code Red Worm and more lately the nimda worm, and in one newsgroup the terror war launched against America.
Expect to see more of these posts. The writer is a very hard worker and has a very dull axe to grind.
I think he's posted this to all of the Threads below.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
Islam the Straight Path to God
Guide to Events
Message from the Muslim Community
A Political Process for Muslim America
"What I expect from American Muslims"
"Here may be our problem with Islam"
Position of US National Muslim Organizations
Taliban Leader summons religious scholars
US Rejects Afghan Clerics' Ruling on Bin Laden
FBI Obtains Terrorist E-Mails
Farrakhan Warns of Armageddon
A Principled Opponent
A Serious Islam Question
Text of Fatwa by Bin Laden -- False and Void
"Smoking them out" is not new in the Middle East
China's Role in Osama Bin Laden's "Holy War" on America
A Moment for Truth
30 Posted on 09/25/2001 00:28:22 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
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