Reuters
Sep 20 2001 1:00PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States rejected on Thursday a recommendation by Afghan clerics that Osama bin Laden be allowed to leave Afghanistan, saying the prime suspect in last week's attacks must be turned over to authorities.
The White House laid out its stance as President Bush consulted top officials from key U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Britain and prepared to make a national speech on Thursday night to make his case for a long campaign against terrorism.
Washington is deploying dozens of bombers, fighters and support aircraft to the Middle East and Indian Ocean as part of an effort to get its military into position to be able to punish those responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington that left nearly 6,000 people dead or missing.
Afghan clerics recommended on Thursday that bin Laden -- a Saudi exile whom Washington suspects of having organized the attacks -- leave their country.
Separately, an Afghan official said the country's ruling Taliban movement, which has kept bin Laden as its "guest" for years, was likely to accept their ruling and asked for new talks with the United States on the issue.
"It does not meet America's requirements," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer bluntly told reporters. "This is about much more than one man being allowed to leave voluntarily, presumably, from one safe harbor to another safe harbor.
"It is time for action, not words," he added, echoing previous U.S. statements. "The president has demanded that key figures of the al Qaeda terrorist organization, including Osama bin Laden, be turned over to responsible authorities and that the Taliban close terrorist camps in Afghanistan, and the United States stands behind those demands."
A U.S. official who asked not to be named dismissed the Taliban's response, saying: "The Taliban have to understand how serious this is and their responsibilities to the free world."
'A NOTE OF PATIENCE'
Bush was scheduled to give an address to a joint session of Congress on Thursday night to urge Americans to be vigilant and patient as the United States prepares to strike the first blow in a war on terrorism.
Working to form a global coalition against the threat, the U.S. president was also due to meet British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Thursday as well as the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal.
Blair -- expected to sit in the audience during Bush's speech -- has pledged Britain will stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the United States, while Saudi Arabia has offered support and cooperation with its key ally but has not given details.
After meeting Bush in the Oval Office, Prince Saud told reporters that his country would do "everything that is within our capacity to fight this scourge of terrorism."
"We're still hopeful that Taliban will accept the wisdom of handing over criminals to face justice," he said.
Bush's prime-time address may be the most important of his young presidency, coming at a similar period of uncertainty for Americans as Franklin Roosevelt's speech after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, a date which he said "will live in infamy."
"A lot of our citizens have got a lot of questions about what has taken place on Sept. 11 and subsequent to that, and I owe it to the country to give an explanation," Bush told reporters on Wednesday.
Fleischer said Bush's 9 p.m. EDT speech would last no less than half an hour, assuming some applause from the lawmakers, and he would not announce military action.
"The president will talk about how this is a battle that is between freedom and fear, and that freedom will prevail," Fleischer said, adding that Bush would try to prepare the nation for a long campaign.
"He is not going to be pinpointing military actions or discussing military options," he added. "The president will also sound a note of patience to the American people."
In one sign of Washington's continuing security concerns since the coordinated attacks by knife-wielding hijackers who commandeered four civilian aircraft, Vice President Dick Cheney will not attend the speech in Congress. In addition, a "designated survivor" from the Cabinet will be kept at a secure location.
"It is time for action, not words,..."
Amen!!!
1 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:21:51 PDT by erizona
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that coward will be packed with explosives or bio/chem weapons for the military that finds him, taking as many with him as he can, imho. there's no way he won't make himself an islamic martyr, imho. the talibunnies are as guilty as he is. what will the muslims say when we start offing 'clerics' and other bogus 'religious' government figures that support terrorism?
2 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:28:59 PDT by Anonymous2
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I long since grown weary of the President's 'were going win this battle against freedom' rhetoric. Actually, it bothered me the first time he said it, because it was so obviously a line.
I have posted elsewhere: Either he is shrewd beyone belief, or he is hiding something. Either he is the consumate commander-in-chief, or we are being sold down the river.
Something inside me is very disturbed at this delay. This doesn't feel right.
3 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:31:04 PDT by cdwright
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I can understand how some people would dislike that a group of serious religious thinkers would decide that actual evidence means something. Now that the American people are finally learning that the "identities" of the terrorists were fictionalized and stolen, perhaps someone will go looking for some evidence that hasn't been planted to send us all in the wrong directions.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
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Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
4 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:31:10 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
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Don't talk to me unless you are ready to renounce forever the evil concept of 'jihad.' Until then, you are my enemy.
5 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:33:32 PDT by cdwright
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New rules and new game........
September 20, 2001 Dear Osama Bin Laden, Yasser Arafat, and Sadam Hussein, et. al.,
We are pleased to announce that we unequivocally accept your challenge to an old-fashioned game of whoop-ass. Now that we understand the rule that there are no rules, we look forward to playing by them for the first time.
Since this game is a winner-take-all, we unfortunately are unable to invite you to join us at the victory celebration. But rest assured that we will toast you -- LITERALLY.
While we will admit that you are off to an impressive lead, it is however now our turn at the plate.
By the way, we will be playing on your court now.
Batter up.
Sincerely, The 270,000,000 citizens of the United States of America
6 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:42:44 PDT by yoe (yoe)
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Likewise, lets stop the evil concept of 'Humanitarian Intervention'.
7 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:45:21 PDT by mxbluto
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Heads up. We've got antiwar.com and Salon.com traffickers posting.
8 Posted on 09/20/2001 12:59:22 PDT by GVgirl
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Something inside me is very disturbed at this delay. This doesn't feel right.
On the contrary, if you were familiar with the military, you'd know that the delay, while aggravating, is very, very good. It means it's not going to be a half-arsed op.
But this will not be what you are expecting, or what anyone expects- not loads of 'luckiest man in Iraq' films, specatacular fireworks, and so forth. There will be some, but by and large it will be conducted under the radar. We've been hit by a group of terrorists residing in many, many countries and supported by various dictators around the world. There are many of them left and they are allied with yet more terrorist organizations, which will feel the heat of the investigations and pursuit and also seek to make a last effort to strikek. What we're likely to get from those terrorists, once they get tired of running and desperate, is some trouble here at home not terribly unlike what we just took, though probably much smaller in scale. They will make up for it by being very prolific. See how life is in Israel? We're about to get a taste of that.
We're going to get it anyway, even if we did nothing, so that makes the descision rather easy- we have to fight. Since we're not going to sit there and take it, we are going to make them work very hard, bleed profusely, and never give them a break to catch their breath or tend to their wounded. They will either give in or they will try to fight a terror war to its conclusion here, a brief and nasty fight before their support system gets crushed.
This is going to be a war carried out more like 'Dirty Harry' than 'Enola Gay.' This country has been there before- in fact this country was formed in the aftermath of precisely this kind of war. This is going to be the French and Indian War on a massive scale with vastly improved - but largely unseen weapons. And like that war, where smallpox was used as a weapon, it is possible the modern equivalent will be used against us. This will be an infowar, darting into their resources and finances, setting traps, selective removal of figures involved, etc., and they will use all their propaganda skills they can muster to weaken our resolve and all the physical means and psychological means to instill doubt and fear. It will be a dirty war, and the winner- or perhaps survivor- will be he who can remain focused on the objective rather than succumb to fear.
9 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:03:37 PDT by piasa
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This is reminiscent of the situation here in the Bay Area when a trio of pit bulls brutally mauled a seven-year old boy who was doing nothing more than riding his bicycle.
The after the pit bulls were through with him -- leaving him earless, motionless, and bloodied beyond description -- the dogs' owner gathered the three of them together, put them in his vehicle, and drove off.
After the boy was carted away to what was thought to be certain death in an Oakland hospital, the police and animal control authorities arrived to take the dogs away for rabies testing (in the absence of evidence that the dogs were immunized, the boy had to undergo rabies shots). The owner said that he didn't know where they all were -- he said he just took them away from the scene of the incident (thinking that the kid was already dead, he said), drove around the East Bay aimlessly, and let one of the dogs out of the car three different times at three different locations.
The Afghans' ruling is just as insulting as that explanation.
10 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:10:46 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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a group of serious religious thinkers
Wow, you're the first person I've seen who has used that description for the Taliban.
What part of their deep thought allows them to harbor someone who claimed responsibility for blowing up our embassies?
In reality, they are the Afghan equivalent of our poverty pimps, skimming drug profits from the opium growers and while driving the remnants of their civilization back to the Dark Ages.
No, we don't need religious thought from these clowns. Fortunately for the rest of the world, their stay here appears to be coming to an end.
11 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:13:15 PDT by Dog Gone
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What I have said is what I have said. Of course I may be mistaken. I hope that I am.
12 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:16:24 PDT by cdwright
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I can understand how some people would dislike that a group of serious religious thinkers would decide that actual evidence means something.
What "actual evidence" are you referring to? Are you suggesting that the clerics gave some serious thought as to the likelihood of bin Laden's involvement, and found no "actual evidence," so they are letting him leave the country?
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
13 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:17:20 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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T-shirts available HERE
14 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:19:05 PDT by CheneyChick
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Heads up. We've got antiwar.com and Salon.com traffickers posting.
BTW...what's Salon's stock price nowadays? Who'd like to help boost the economy by emptying a piggy bank and buying a few thousand shares? Heh heh heh!
15 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:20:57 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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You are bound by your prophet to be my enemy. I know of Muslims who converted to Christianity whose lives were threatened for doing so. So, either you are ignorant of the roots of your own beliefs, or you are lying to me.
Your prophet has told you, has he not, to do away with me and to lie to me if doing so will benefit your prophet? My Prophet has told me to love you and to speak the truth, and to do everything in my power to do good to you. My Prophet has told me to love you even when you use the freedom I offer you to fly my own jets into my own buildings and kill my innocent brothers and sisters, parents and children.
My conscience tells me that a liar and a murderer must be dealt with for the good of the innocent.
The Christian is the enemy only of evil. The Muslim declares himself the enemy of everyone who is not Muslim.
16 Posted on 09/20/2001 13:40:44 PDT by cdwright
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I can understand how some people would dislike that a group of serious religious thinkers would decide that actual evidence means something.
What "actual evidence" are you referring to?
The evidence that will not turn up, ever.
Are you suggesting that the clerics gave some serious thought as to the likelihood of bin Laden's involvement, and found no "actual evidence," so they are letting him leave the country?
No, they gave some serious thought to the possibility that the United States would attack with no idea whatsoever about who set up Tuesday's attack, and accurately anticipated the emerging and chilling reality that the United States has no way to develop any ideas about who set up Tuesday's attack. That's the way it's turning out.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
I sure wish I didn't, but I do. Check my other Threads -- the FBI has fully investigated every lead from the attack and found red herrings, falsified evidence, blind alleys, and wild goose chases at the end of all of them. We haven't the first clue about who set up Tuesday's attack, and it's looking like there is more to come no matter what happens with all of our military on the other side of the planet.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
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Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
17 Posted on 09/24/2001 04:34:08 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
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You are bound by your prophet to be my enemy.
I'm not even bound to be -- myself -- an "enemy" to Shaitan a'oodhu billah, who is his own worst enemy -- I'm bound to recognize that he has made himself an enemy to me and to seek refuge in God from him. I'm a friend to those who serve Him and do good, and charged to restrain those who do oppression -- not as their "enemy" but because they have made themselves enemies of others, and I am a friend of God Who wants us to restrain evil.
I know of Muslims who converted to Christianity whose lives were threatened for doing so.
Leaving Islam is itself a fate far worse than death, but the Arab pharisees have twisted the meaning of a single word to come up with a way to produce hypocrites who would otherwise leave and go where they want. Leaving Islam is absolutely not a capital offense according to the Law, that is the Law of Moses -- check your Bible, it's perfectly plain and clear -- that the Arab priests foisted on the people.
So, either you are ignorant of the roots of your own beliefs, or you are lying to me.
Neither. You don't know what you're talking about.
Your prophet has told you, has he not, to do away with me and to lie to me if doing so will benefit your prophet?
No, that's Pauline doctrine illustrated by the Inquisition, among other Roman Catholic blessings. I'm not interested in giving you a history lesson, but you need to research the arrival of 'Umar in Jerusalem, where the Patriarch of the Holy City gave him the keys of the city and the muslims restored the churches and synagogues that had been damaged by the Roman occupation, cleaned all the garbage out of the city dump -- also known as the Temple Mount -- and continued to restore churches and synagogues throughout the muslim domains from Gibraltar to China. You're seriously misinformed, and it would benefit you to find out how it happens that you're so seriously misinformed.
My Prophet has told me to love you and to speak the truth, and to do everything in my power to do good to you. My Prophet has told me to love you even when you use the freedom I offer you to fly my own jets into my own buildings and kill my innocent brothers and sisters, parents and children.
Thanks, I was born in this country to parents who knew nothing at all about Islam, and it was not muslims who flew our planes into our buildings, despite what a certain Prime Minister announced within minutes after the first plane hit with a fully prepared speech.
My conscience tells me that a liar and a murderer must be dealt with for the good of the innocent.
I couldn't agree more. Now let's determine who that liar and murderer actually is.
The Christian is the enemy only of evil. The Muslim declares himself the enemy of everyone who is not Muslim.
Looks to me like it's the Christian here who declares the muslim the enemy of everyone who is not muslim. Check the history, you'll be flabbergasted.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
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Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
18 Posted on 09/24/2001 04:34:15 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
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A masterful act of sophistry. Almost beyond belief. Nearly unheard of in its audacity. A credit to your teacher.
19 Posted on 09/24/2001 10:24:51 PDT by cdwright
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[The Taliban] gave some serious thought to the possibility that the United States would attack with no idea whatsoever about who set up Tuesday's attack, and accurately anticipated the emerging and chilling reality that the United States has no way to develop any ideas about who set up Tuesday's attack. That's the way it's turning out.
Let me cut through the mud and put the question to you: Do YOU believe the Taliban know whether or not bin Laden was involved in the attacks?
20 Posted on 09/24/2001 10:45:45 PDT by L.N. Smithee
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Let's be real here.... The Taliban has wanted proof in order to release their "Guest" --- Now, do they know where he is? Yes! Is he still in Afghanistan? Probably NOT! Would u stay? or would u flee? I'd take off, and that is why time is of the essence. The man could be anywhere. let me ask you all this.... Could this all be a huge deceiving Fram-up Job??? maybe? maybe not. but, never rule it out. Time, is all that stands in the way of truth and justice. But how much time do we have? I say not enough.
21 Posted on 09/24/2001 10:54:51 PDT by CanadianSteveZ
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Dear ladies and gentleman, FYI we have an activist in here with nothing better to do than argue all day long. Having been asked to shut up about spreading propoganda about his religion and politics on news.grc.com, he proceeds to come here and spread more propoganda. Unemployed and scrounging off state welfare while exercising his freedom of speech which also covers telling lies and twisting anything people post and deliberately quoting out of context. You should be aware that (ankaboot) aka (Abujamal) aka (Dawud Ahmad Al-Amriki) is well known across many newsgroups as a TROLL. A visit to grc.news.feedback and grc.ten-forward a week or so back will give you an indication of what this guy is all about. He loves nothing better than to expose peoples names and addresses if they disagree with him or his activist minions. He will argue forever about nothing just for arguements sake and he is best off completely ignored as he always has to have the last word. Ignoring him completely like so many others do upsets him all the more and he goes away with his tail between his legs to spread FUD elsewhere. You will also find his propoganda on muslim groups on deja. A visit to his website at http://www.muslimamerica.net will give you an idea that this guy is a troublemaker first class. He uses 3 different email addresses that are well known muslims@earthlink.net abujamal@pchelpers.org and muslims@muslimamerica.net. Dawud Ahmad Al-Amriki, Muslim America, P.O. Box 231, Springdale, WA, 99173-0231, tel. (509) 258-9031, fax 1 (800) Muslims. Springdale, WA USA Here are some other useful details about this TROLL that is trying to hide his identity under this new alias. Beware like all TROLLS he has many aliases but he is easy to spot from his email addresses and the propoganda he spreads. He claims the only hope for America is Islam and that if you insult him that you should be careful his more militant brothers do not get to hear of it from him. Do a little research on him with the above search criteria and you will turn up alsorts of fundamentalist and radical activist crap, screaming for jihad and many more of his cut and paste ramblings posted to enflame and poke a reaction. Hey Abujamal, Give it up TROLL the game is up. We know what you are. We know what you stand for and we know what you are up to. *vome*
22 Posted on 09/24/2001 18:16:14 PDT by vome
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[The Taliban] gave some serious thought to the possibility that the United States would attack with no idea whatsoever about who set up Tuesday's attack, and accurately anticipated the emerging and chilling reality that the United States has no way to develop any ideas about who set up Tuesday's attack. That's the way it's turning out.
Let me cut through the mud and put the question to you: Do YOU believe the Taliban know whether or not bin Laden was involved in the attacks?
Good question. Please explain how what I believe should determine whether or not we drop bombs. What I believe may or may not be based on facts, just like what you believe is a fact may or may not be. Are we a nation of law, or a mob? Here are some facts:
There is no evidence telling the FBI who is behind Tuesday's terror. Every lead has been followed and they have all been red herrings leading to blind alleys and wild goose chases. Should our national leaders have a complete change of heart and be willing to provide evidence to the Taliban, there is none to provide. Those are facts.
I know these facts because my peers and students, the leaders of America's muslim communities, are working hand in hand with the FBI at every level, openly and secretly, for the over-riding reason that we believe there are more attacks already set up and waiting in America. And this is what we are being told: every trail to those behind the terror is known to be false.
I notice that the rest of the world is starting to ask for some concrete assurance, something recognizable as evidence, now that we have been saying "primary suspect" for two weeks to refer to someone we have no intention of bringing to trial. The rest of the world senses that we don't know, and they're right. Only some Americans don't care whether we kill innocent people in a blind attempt to kill a "primary suspect" against whom there is no evidence whatsoever.
And some in America want us to do exactly that. Why? Because of what we believe. What we Americans believe.
I believe that the Taliban believe that Bin Laden had nothing to do with it. I think they believe that because Bin Laden is Mullah Muhammad 'Umar's father-in-law and 'Umar has intimate access to Bin Laden; because Bin Laden is surrounded at all levels by Afghanis who know he comes from a Wahhabi background and are watching him at the same time as they support him; because the Taliban have, and have had, an overwhelming interest in isolating Bin Laden from any communication with anyone outside Afghanistan; because the sophistication of the attack, preparation, and particularly of the disinformation trail laid for follow-on investigators, is beyond Bin Laden's capacity and certainly beyond the capacity of his partisans; and probably for many reasons I can't even imagine.
Are they correct in this belief? I believe they are. So please explain how what I believe should determine whether or not we drop bombs. Or, for that matter, how what you have been led to believe should determine that.
I believe that it's not over. I believe that Tuesday -- an amazingly successful terrorist attack in all respects but one -- was just the beginning. I deny absolutely that America or Americans have done or failed to do *anything* to deserve this or to provoke those behind the attacks. I do not believe that America's blind and uncritical support of Israeli terror for fifty years is behind these attacks. I believe that we are being attacked with every intent to destroy America because we are in the way of someone's ambitions that they have nearly realized; because we are no longer useful either as a "Great Satan" enemy or as a supporting friend; and most especially because we threaten the success of these devils because Americans are by and large religious and possessed of a fundamental sense of fairness and integrity. That's what I believe, now that you ask.
(Of course, you can call me a liar if you want, I was born and grew up here from Wind River Shoshoni and a Heinz-57 collection of European blood, and that's just what I say about my neighbors without much proof that there's substance to such a nationalistic ethnocentric racist accusation that "Americans are religious." That's "America": "You command" or something close to that in the Arabic language. God-fearing people. You takin' the worduva Injun these days? That's what *I* say.}
That is what makes America and Americans so dangerous to those behind the terror war: we do not like liars and we do not usually fall for their lies. This time we have.
Muslims didn't do this and aren't behind it, we're the first target of it. It is Islam in America -- utterly beyond the control of any party or doctrine from the terminally-collapsed millennial muslim world -- that threatens those behind this terror war, and the integrity and fundamental piety of the American people that threatens them even more.
We abide in the tents of Shem -- all of us Jews, Christians and muslims alike -- in America. Here are the freedoms of religious belief and practice that threaten those behind the terror war. American Jews do not follow the orders of Tel Aviv, American Catholics do not accept the authority of Rome, American muslims do not swear allegiance to any of the Arabs or their followers, and Americans do not concern ourselves with what the religious nut next door -- who irrationally believes in "God" or some such fantasy, in some educated minds -- thinks, unless and until he makes a problem out of it that endangers others or harms them. That's American law and in a situation that appears unique in the world, Americans basically respect the law.
All those fanning the flames of the anti-Islam brigades in America and around the world are trying to kill me and my family. The danger is proximate and real. It's straight out of a Hollywood movie or prime time television and it's continuous and the aim of those behind the terror war. It is not spontaneous, the planning for it is obvious to anyone who has been paying attention.
The best thing that could happen to me and my family, as far as I can see, is that someone would succeed in killing us all. I am a muslim. Some would kill me for no other reason than that. I have no doubt whatsoever that such murderers would send me straight to paradise and that's the last thing I could possibly deserve.
And neither do we Americans deserve the terror war that has been started for the purpose of destroying us.
The Tuesday attack was completely, utterly unprovoked. No one, two, or a hundred things America did or failed to do had anything to do with it. Nothing we could have done, nothing we could have not done, would have avoided it. It was as cold-blooded as a decision to pour sour milk down the drain, in the minds of those behind the terror war it is simply that America's time is "up."
But their time is up. That is what God Almighty promised the American people before he made this the Lost Continent set adrift to await His Pleasure. We abide in the tents of Shem -- we don't burn them and neither will those who steal the American Heritage that the forefathers of this country knew and left us.
America is God's Country. Some of us have forgotten that. Those behind this terror war haven't forgotten that, they knew it all along. They don't care because they think God belongs to them.
And Americans know better than that. We don't believe in a God Who Opens His Mind and shows His Mercy only to a few of those who claim Him to the exclusion of all other people.
Muslims don't believe that either.
And that's what I mean by "in all respects but one" -- those who are bringing us this terror war did not expect the American people to go find out for themselves from their neighbors, the muslims. And that's what's happening all over America.
And all the anti-Islam brigades that have been prepared for this terror war, who are swarming all over the Web and all over the American media and all over the world, are trying to stop it.
Let's just see.
And while we're at it, let's just see some evidence. I'm seeing plenty. And it doesn't convict the American people and it doesn't convict the muslims and it doesn't convict the innocent with naked suspicion. It exonerates and vindicates the faith of the American people in Mercy and Justice and fair play.
That's what I believe.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
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Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
23 Posted on 09/24/2001 18:22:23 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
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Salaam!
Glad you could make it. Welcome to Free Repulic com, the on-line home of middle America.
Freepers, I know this poster from the computer privacy and internetworking security newsgroups hosted by Steve Gibson, who is currently helping the FBI -- at their request and in conjunction with the National Infrastructure Protection Center -- search for leads to those behind the Tuesday terrorist attack. At the request of the National Security Council through CERT (I've forgotten what that stands for), Steve Gibson has also written a basic introduction to what Americans will need to do in order to do their part in the cyber war that is also being waged by the terrorists. It will be public in a short time, you can read it now on Steve's newsgroups .
This post is *not* representative of news.grc.com/grc.news.feedback where we were discussing the Ida Code Red Worm and more lately the nimda worm, and in one newsgroup the terror war launched against America.
Expect to see more of these posts. The writer is a very hard worker and has a very dull axe to grind.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
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Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
24 Posted on 09/24/2001 18:49:50 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
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May the Almighty bless you and lead you, by His Holy Spirit, into all truth.
25 Posted on 09/24/2001 20:26:57 PDT by cdwright
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Salamz,
I see "vome" is doing another favor for u. He brings more traffic to your site and advertise your name & all for free.
May you have a long-life ahead to share your ideas with everyone.
26 Posted on 09/25/2001 00:04:21 PDT by armann
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Hey vome,
Ankaboot means spider. Actually he is a big white American spider - lovable and huggable.
He only bites trolls and other offensive derivatives.
27 Posted on 09/25/2001 00:15:51 PDT by armann
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Hey vome,
Ankaboot means spider. Actually he is a big white American spider - lovable and huggable.
He only bites trolls and other offensive derivatives.
Vome has some friends who will probably be along presently.
And I'm just a skinny little old guy missing a bunch of teeth working on cultivating premature senility. Isn't working, but my father-in-law and I have been spending pleasant time together -- he's 94 with Alzheimer's, got here a week or two ago -- and I think I'll improve my forgetting skills considerably.
I forget -- where did these anti-Islam brigades come from?
I have really gotten proficient at forgetting who trolls or flames me. I forget the name and when I see it again it's like a thousand other screen names, I hardly know which is which or who is who. That way when I see the next thing from them I take it at face value and once in a while I've seen some rather astounding changes in attitude.
I know who vome is, though. Vome's compulsive, my name or anything I write pushes buttons in a bunch of people like vome. They're not a problem for me, I don't think ill of them, they're clinging to threads and clutching at straws and they know, I think, that what they say is empty. It's just a ritual they learn in secret societies, vain oaths they take, allegiances and stuff. They're working to beat hell -- and hell takes a lot of beating. I'm not making it easier for them by bearing water to the thirsty and cooling the flames.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
28 Posted on 09/25/2001 00:53:39 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
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