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[Carefully and dispassionately evaluate the words of those who lead the chants of "Death to America! Death to Israel!" and more. See whether they would sound to some people "a voice of unreasoning hatred" or calm reason. Here is danger more comfortably ignored -- but that would be a fatal error.]
Full text of speech of Ayatollah al-Udham Sayyed Ali Hussaini Khamene'i on the plight of Muslims delivered on September 26, 2001:
For excerpts in 8 languages please visit: www.irib.com/worldservice
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
I welcome all the honorable members of the audience and the honorable families of the martyrs. On the occasion of the blessed month of Rajab I hope the Almighty will grant His special kindness to pious hearts and the honorable families of the dear martyrs.
These days and nights are very valuable. They are the blessed days of the Almighty. The month of Rajab is a great opportunity for all pious hearts to strengthen their ties with the Almighty. All human beings need this spiritual communion because the forgetful heart will be targeted by the shaitan. When the shaitan takes over the mind and the spirit of a human being corruption in the world will be spread.
The importance of piety and spirituality
The true and deep way to combat any form of evil and corruption in the world is to be close to God and to immunize our heart and soul against the shaitan's influence and rule. If shaitan had not ruled the hearts of some of the people who originated major works in human societies, the world would have been able to see peace, mankind would have been able to see security and safety.
All the miseries of mankind stem from being separated from God. Therefore, in Islam there are opportunities to establish a special connection with God Almighty. One such opportunity is the month of Rajab. We should value the month of Rajab. The prayers said in that month are all lessons. They are not merely tongue wagging.
Those prayers should be heartfelt and with an awareness of their deep meaning. Let them run through your hearts and tongues. In the month of Rajab and then the month of Sha'ban, a Muslim, young, old, woman or man should have clear and close relations with God in order to prepare themselves for the [fasting] month of Ramadan. Then, the month of Ramadan becomes a divine feast.
We should prepare before enjoying that feast. "Cleanse yourself before you walk into the tavern" [part of an old Farsi poem]. That cleansing should be done in the months of Rajab and Sha'ban so that one could arrive at the divine feast of Ramadan and benefit from it.
If we manage to benefit from the month of Ramadan, then we can see progress in our own behavior, manners, outlook and ideology. We become our own judges and we would be able to recognize development. If we do not undergo such tests we would feel the ensuing miseries and problems with all our existence and in the atmosphere of society. We should take advantage of the month of Rajab.
On the importance of the martyrs and the armed forces
To you, the families of martyrs, in particular, the issue of martyrs and martyrdom is one of the most outstanding issues in Islam. Our martyrs are not people who have died in a war for hegemony. They are different from those who have been killed in ordinary wars in many parts of the world, where they have attacked the lands of others.
There is a difference between those and our martyrs. Our country was invaded; our independence was attacked; the honor of this nation was attacked; they shouted abuse at us; all the big powers joined forces against us; the same people in the world who talk so much about peace and security today, they equipped one of the cruelest governments against us; they attacked our home, our cities, our villages, our roads, our installations; they violated our borders.
If the armed forces had not stood strong and mobilized itself against the enemy, if the Iranian nation, in the form of Basij, had not gone to sacrifice themselves alongside the armed forces, do you know what would have become of the country?
Do you know how the enemy would have trampled on the honor of this great nation, the dignity of this great nation and the pride of this great nation? This nation, all of us, owe our life to the combatants and the dear martyrs. The martyrs were the ones who demonstrated greater bravery and boldness. They didn't fear danger and they were martyred. Some flew to the heaven and others turned into living-martyrs [the war disabled]. It is the blood of the martyrs, the endeavor of the disabled and the effort of the combatants which brought security and peace to our country.
Those who speak against the armed forces, who speaks against the Basij forces should understand that they are not serving the interests and the future of the country. The armed forces, be they the organized armed forces or the members of the Basij, who are prepared to enter into battle in order to defend all the people and the borders of the country, are among the most valuable groups in our society. Everyone needs them and this will be realized at the time of danger.
In its cultural onslaught, the enemy tries to weaken and discredit the resistance of our people, and, in reality, smash the people's resistance and destroy their bastions. The most important bastion of a human being is his bastion of faith, motivation and love. You should not allow these bastions in your hearts to collapse and be destroyed by them.
Martyrdom, is a pleasant-smelling and scented flower which can only be reached and smelled by those chosen people and those chosen by God from amongst human beings.
The families of the martyrs should be proud of their martyrs. The ailed spouses, the bereaved mothers and fathers and the children who have never seen their father have experienced these hardships, but now they should feel proud. It was your fathers, husbands and children that were able to bring dignity to this country, which today, thank God, is very precious. If it was not for them, our situation would be different.
Some issues have been brought up in the world today under the influence of the incidents which occurred in some cities in America.
The wave of global propaganda, and political moves, continuously fan the flames of biased propaganda reports. World media is controlled by a particular group. World newspapers, radios and television stations are controlled by capitalists, and the rich and powerful. They are not in the hands of ordinary people, or intellectual, pious or wise people.
They disseminate whatever they like and whatever corresponds with their own interests. They divert them into communication channels of radios, televisions, news agencies and newspapers, and spread them throughout the world and some groups, unaware of what they are doing, take up those reports . Unfortunately, some groups also help them while they do not benefit from what they are doing, but they help such waves of selfishness and arrogance.
During the past two or three weeks and since the explosions in America turned into global and international matters, our country's officials have adopted some good stances and mentioned some good points. At the same time, I would like to mention a few points in order to inform our dear nation, which, God be praised, is quite alert.
The first point is that the behavior and remarks of the American government and officials concerning this incident were very arrogant and pretentious and continue to be so. Their remarks do not tally with any kind of logic. Of course, their dignity has been badly harmed, their security reputation has been badly dented, but those are not adequate reasons for resorting to their arrogant image in order to compensate for their humiliation.
They put on a very angry face to tell the people of the world that: O people of the world, we are angry and you do not dare say anything which would contradict what we are saying. No one should dare say anything different from what they are saying. They think that, through such methods, they can sideline independent people, nations and governments.
An example of what they say is that whoever is not with us is with the terrorists. That is very wrong. No, that is not the case. Many are on the side of America and are more dangerous than many terrorists of the world. Today, the government of Israel is sheltering the most dangerous of terrorists. Those leading that government have personally ordered and taken part in the most tragic acts of terrorism. Right now they are committing acts of terrorism and they are also on the side of America.
That is not correct that anyone who is with you is not with the terrorists. No, that is not the case. The most stubborn and evil terrorists are on your side right now. The same applies to the opposite side. Anyone who is not with us [America], is on the side of the terrorists. No, that is not right either. We are not with you and we are not on the side of the terrorists either. [People chant: Allahu Akbar, Khamene'i is the leader, death to America, death to Israel]
Criticizing US treatment of Muslims
The second point is that from the early hours after the incident, they made the general atmosphere of their country anti-Islamic. How did you determine in those first hours that Muslims have conducted this act? If your information apparatus is so powerful that from the early hours, the radio and television in America spoke in such a way that everyone believed that it was the work of Muslims, if you are so powerful in information gathering, then why haven't you been able to detect this widespread operation which has definitely taken months and some even say years to plan. How did you realize that it was the Muslims?
They made the general atmosphere such that people in America attacked mosques and attacked, shot and stabbed those Muslims who had an Islamic appearance. In America and some European countries they made the atmosphere anti-Islamic.
The American president in his first remarks said that this was a Crusade. The Crusades are the wars which the Christians set out from Europe to capture Bayt al-Muqaddas [Jerusalem]. Those wars lasted for 200 years. At the end, however, Christians and Europeans were defeated by the victorious Muslims who forced them out of the region. The crusade means the battle between Islam and Christianity.
Why should a senior official be so inconsiderate and unrestrained in his speech if he did not have any ill intentions? Why have they accused the world Muslims of committing a terrorist and disastrous act? They, first, turn the public opinion against Islam and then, officially, tell the people not to attack the Muslims. How could this be possible?
They have created an atmosphere under which Muslims and Arabs are condemned. They publish Arabic and Islamic names and pictures of people with Arabic attire in their dailies. Do they mean that there was no American or westerner or people with western names among those accused of committing this act? Did they all have Islamic names? Why have not they published those names? They, first, create such an atmosphere, then advise the people not to attack the Muslims and say that Muslims are good. Is such a thing possible? This is a very bad and ugly act with long-lasting repercussions which will not be rectified easily or anytime soon.
The third point is that in these issues, they have been very demanding. Now that they have been attacked, the Americans expect the entire world to cooperate with them. Why? Because their interests have experienced a blow. Well, this is very demanding.
Have you ever respected the interests of others, that you now expect everyone to respect yours? In today's world, is the possession of cannons, guns and missiles a permit for a government to say that: It has to be what I say and nothing else? Will the people of the world accept this? It is these that has made America detestable.
Look and see today in which countries the people are burning the American flag. Everywhere is not Iran. This conference that was recently held in South Africa [the Durban Conference] demonstrated the feelings of the world people, organizations and the different governments. With its bullying and great demands, America has isolated itself.
If the American interests in the Persian Gulf are threatened, everyone has to cooperate. But if the interests of the Persian Gulf countries are threatened it doesn't matter. Many times they have trampled on the interests of different countries including our country, now they are saying that the whole world has to cooperate with them because their interests have come under attack. This is a great demand.
On Israeli terrorist acts
The next point is that in the minds of the American officials the meaning of terrorism is wrong. They define terrorism incorrectly. They define terrorism in such a way that the massacre of the people of Sabra and Shatila - two Palestinian camps in Lebanon, in which men, women and children were all massacred one night on the orders of a person who is at present at the head of the usurper Zionist regime [Ariel Sharon] - is not terrorism. That does not constitute as terrorism in the eyes of the Americans.
A few years ago, some people gathered in front of the UN office in Qana, in Lebanon, to stage a protest. An Israeli airplane, or helicopter, came along and killed hundreds of them, men, women and children, hungry, thirsty people. They sprayed them with bullets and killed them all. They do not consider that as terrorism.
Many times they Israelis have kidnapped, killed people in Lebanon. That is not considered as terrorism. A few months ago the usurper government approved that certain Palestinians should be assassinated. They even mentioned the term assassination. They said they should be assassinated, and they assassinated them. They blew up their cars, they killed several people. All that is not considered as terrorism.
Criticizing America
But the people of Palestine, who have risen in the defense of their lands and to reclaim their violated rights, who scream with stones in their hands - they have no weapons - are called terrorists. That is the logic of the Americans. Well, that is an incorrect logic. The world will not accept that logic.
The next point is that, they Americans say: We have no good and bad terrorists, that all terrorists are bad. But in practice they, themselves, divide terrorism into good and bad. In the skies of the Persian Gulf they shoot down an Iranian airliner with hundreds of passengers onboard, without any reason or excuse; they blow up the airplane, tear the people into pieces and drown them in the sea - a clear case of terrorism. But then they give the commander of the warship a prize.
Where can mankind take that grievance to? Not only do they not put them on trial, not only do they not admonish them, not only do they not apologize to Iran, but they give a prize to the commander of the warship. That is good terrorism. [People chant: Death to America, several times]
Their logic is wrong. The purport is wrong and they expect the entire world to mobilize behind them for the sake of this wrong purport. Moreover, they expect the rest of the world to help them. That is, not only they expect the world not to protest against them, but they want help from everyone too.
On US intentions in Central Asia
On the whole the evidences show that there is something else behind the scene of Afghanistan's issue today. They and their wrath are facing the hapless Afghanistan which has no supporters, because one man - or perhaps 10, 100 or 1,000 people inside that country - are accused of being behind the explosions in New York and other places. But behind the scene, the issue is different.
Firstly, evidences show that the American government intends to repeat what it did in the Persian Gulf in this region, that is, in Central Asia. They intend to come and establish themselves in this region under the pretext of lack of security here. Evidences show that they intend to do so in Pakistan, the Subcontinent, the Central Asia and in Afghanistan, on the other side of our eastern borders.
Secondly, they want to settle scores with anyone who defended the oppressed people of Palestine. This is what they are really pursuing, the rest are superficial matters.
No help for US over Afghanistan
The next point concern their statements in which they have demanded that Iran should help them. They have asked for various assistance, including intelligence information and other forms of help. I am surprised how they have the audacity to ask the Islamic Republic government and the Iranian nation to help them?
Over the past 23 years, you have employed everything and all your might to inflict blows on this nation and this country. Now you expect us to help you? What help? Even if the nation of Afghanistan were not Muslims and oppressed and even if they were not our neighbor, your request for assistance would have been misplaced. Let alone the fact that the nation of Afghanistan is oppressed and deprived. Truly, one feels sorry for the people of Afghanistan.
You the American government expect assistance from the Islamic Republic. No, we shall not offer any assistance to America and its allies in their attack on Afghanistan. [People chanting Allahu Akbar, Khamene'i is our leader, death to America, death to Israel]
Doubting America's sincerity
In the final analysis, we doubt the sincerity of the American government's intention to combat terrorism. It is insincere and does not tell the truth. It has other aims.
We do not think that America is qualified to lead an international movement against terrorism. America's hands are soiled with all the crimes committed by the Zionist regime in the recent years, which it is currently continuing with utmost ruthlessness and violence. Destroying people's houses with tanks. America is supporting this.
Such a government lacks the necessary qualification to lead an international movement against terrorism. Everybody should know this, and our country's officials have also stated this in private gatherings and meetings. I also would like to repeat it for the benefit of our public and the world. Everybody should know that Iran, the Islamic Iran, will not participate in any movement that is led by America. [People chanting Allahu Akbar, Khamene'i is our leader, death to America, death to Israel]
Fight against terrorism is Jihad
Of course, the fight against terrorism and the fight against those who undermine the people's security is an essential fight. It is a must. It is a Jihad. Anyone who can take part in this fight, must do so. But this is a global movement and therefore should have a moral leader.
Over the past few days our officials have declared that we are ready to help and join this movement under the auspices of the United Nations. Yes, let me say that the UN is good but there is one condition. And that is, the UN should not be influenced by America and other major powers. Otherwise, if the UN and its Security Council or other departments were to be influenced by them by the American administration and other major powers, one could not trust the UN either. We do not have good experience over such matters in the past.
Here, the Islamic governments shoulder a heavy burden of responsibility. They must enter the arena as a global movement against terrorism, against violation of the people's lives and against violence which infringes the daily life of human citizens. They must enter the arena as an immense humanitarian movement. This is a great obligation and the Organization of the Islamic Conference is duty-bound in this respect. We, as members of the OIC, believe that one of the essential obligations of this organization is to enter this arena, it is a must. It must, however, be present in this arena independently. It must not be a subservient to this or that power.
On the other hand, the issue of Afghanistan's nation is raised today. The nation of Afghanistan is a Muslim nation. It is part of the Islamic ummah.
On the plight of Afghans
The innocent people of Afghanistan have committed no crime. Are the lives of those who died in the World Trade Center in New York more precious than those of the people of Afghanistan? Why? Is it because their collars are dirty? Is it because they have been deprived of hygiene, nourishment, peace of mind and security, all because of people who for many years were lackeys of the big powers? Is that the reason?
Before the events in Afghanistan, the coup d'etat twenty odd years ago, those who were in power were lackeys of the big powers. Then the communists came into power; they were affiliated to the Soviet Union. And what happen then, the people know and can see.
The interference of the powers has determined the fate of the people of Afghanistan in recent years. These are the reasons for the poverty and backwardness of the people of Afghanistan. Otherwise the people of Afghanistan are freedom loving, with a very rich and ancient culture, they are brave, very talented.
We know the people of Afghanistan. We have lived together for centuries. We know that they are very talented people. They are not inferior to any other people in the world. And they have so many stronger points. What crime have they committed that they should be the victims of various objectives and policies? The Organization of the Islamic Conference and Islamic governments have a duty here.
They must act wisely and rationally and do not allow the Afghan people to be harmed. Even if a few terrorists - we cannot be certain of this of course, this being a claim by the Americans - have camps there. Well, Afghan people should not have to pay for sins committed by them. Why should they be trampled on?
We ask God to bestow His Grace on Islam the Muslims [People say Aamin]. We ask God to protect Islamic countries against their enemies [People say Aamin]. Gladly, our government and nation have been treading on its own correct path with patience, wisdom, calmness and steadfastness. Our government and nation will continue on the same correct and dignified road. May God bless this country and nation and keep them in the prayers of Hadhrat Baqiyatullah (AJ) [People chanting God is our protector and Khamene'i is our leader].
1 Posted on 09/28/2001 18:25:38 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
When the Khomeiniyya overthrew the Shah, the aircraft parts in the Persian warehouses were inaccessible due to their lack of computer expertise. So they purchased missiles and spare parts from Israel. The United States replaced Israel's stockpiles with newer munitions and improved models. The Contras in Nicaragua received the profits and we had the Iran-Contra scandals.
Israel sits to the west of the Arab nations of the Holy Land, Persia to the east. Their common interest is containing Iraq and Syria and other Arab nations, and preventing Arab unification.
For at least the last two years, Persian has been acquiring weapons of mass destruction from Israel, according to our sources -- biological and chemical weaponry. Of course with the sale to Communist China of American technology and weapons systems, Israel might not have needed the money from Iran, but that's just business, after all.
Who are America's enemies and how do they stand -- openly apart and secretly together -- against us, and what is their excuse that they feed their respective peoples? How has America been made into the appearance of the enemy of humanity? Who is really the enemy of humanity? Where will they strike next?
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
2 Posted on 09/28/2001 18:49:03 PDT by mdittmarmar·tyr·dom [mrtrdm ] noun
1. being a martyr: the state of having been killed for refusing to deny religious or political beliefs
The true and deep way to combat any form of evil and corruption in the world is to be close to God
having been killed
Don't see anything about suicide or mass murder in this definition,don't remember reading anything in the Bible suggesting suicide or mass murder!
That's what I get from Carefully and dispassionately evaluate(ing) the words of those who lead the chants of "Death to America!
3 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:00:34 PDT by daviddennisDoes anyone have a balanced account of Israeli atrocities against Palistinians versus Palistinian atrocities against Israel?
My impression is that they balance out with tragic evenness, but I'd like to hear hard evidence. Please, not something that favours one side or the other, but a fair analysis.
D
4 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:04:28 PDT by mdittmarHere's a balanced account.
Palestinian straps a bomb on and kills innocent people,Israel's military blows the S#&t out of a military target!
5 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:10:26 PDT by timestax (Palestians suck)Here's a balanced account. Palestinian straps a bomb on and kills innocent people,Israel's military blows the S#&t out of a military target! 4 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:04:28 PDT by mdittmar [ Reply
I guess Israel is just supposed to take it! Yeah right.
6 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:10:35 PDT by lds23The desert is too good for 'em.
7 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:12:39 PDT by Ragtime CowgirlWhat about these groups that claim to represent the true will of Allah and look down on Muslims who willingly choose to live among those of other faiths? This website is frightening because these are obviously very learned people, living among us and vowing to destroy our culture and replace the threat of an imagined New World Order with a real Global Islamic Movement.
One Muslim Parent's View of the World, parenting, schools- scroll down 1/3 page to "The Consequences of Hijrah fi Dunya:"
Muslims fear the New World Order, support instead the Global Islamic Movement?
Where From Here? Press releases from 1998, no concerns about political correctness from these academics
8 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:13:52 PDT by mdittmarMe thinks you misunderstand my post,in my opinion Israel has not responded harshly enough.
9 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:18:59 PDT by keithtooI 'think' I get along with Muslims very well, and I'm A-OK that they're around in the US, but the fact is that Muslims in 'Christian' countries are MUCH freer than Christians - or members of any non-Muslim religion for that matter - in Muslim countries.
I believe the Muslims not only want Christians OUT of their countries, but when in comes right down to it, they want ALL NON-MUSLIMS OFF THE GLOBE!!!!!
For the life of me, I cant see them ever living with Westerners/Christians/Jews.
If they thought they could wall off their countries to keep out the West they probably would, but since they cant (TV Radio Internet etc.) they will have to get rid of this unwanted influence.
What about Muslims of good will who feel comfortable with their Western friends?
They apparently will have to be eliminated also, for lack of spiritual fervor.
Final Conflict - here we come!
10 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:21:29 PDT by aimlowDon't bother with ankaboot, as ankaboot is farsi for moron.
11 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:22:08 PDT by Publius6961This is absolute pork-tripe for the unwashed.
How can any Ayatollah be taken seriously at all when he is lamenting the immediate "anti-Islamic" mood in the US when 6000+ of her citizens were Mass-Murdered?
Here is this person, standing in the midst of a monolithic rabidly anti-Christian group of fourth world nations which under peacetime conditions will not tolerate any outward expression of any other faith, lamenting "intorelance"?
After reading that, simple self respect prevents me from even reading the crap that follows.
If this is the "plight" of Muslims, I can't generate a gram of sympathy and hope that they will really enjoy the new improved plight coming their way soon.
12 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:35:18 PDT by Dialup LlamaMuslims in majority nonmuslim countries are very polite and affable. They are biding their time and increasing their numbers. That changes when they are numerically equal or great than nonmuslims. There is no majority muslim country where the nonmuslims have not been vanquished and destroyed.
13 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:41:01 PDT by InyokernFor at least the last two years, Persian has been acquiring weapons of mass destruction from Israel, according to our sources -- biological and chemical weaponry.
What are your sources?
14 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:43:05 PDT by keithtooI agree. I also am persuaded that if push ever came to shove, my Muslim friends would NOT side with me if a fight ever broke out.
I mean, afer all, I cant promise them 72 virgins in Paradise if they die fighting for me!!
Looks like we Christians need to start doin' some procreatin' bigtime (with our wives that is - slow down Bill C and Jesse J) to keep our lead! I guess that's not all bad.
15 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:47:10 PDT by Capitalist EricPlease, PLEASE pull this thread, before a lot of good, normal people have to be banned for expressing their 1st Amendment rights, to this bastard...?
16 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:49:33 PDT by Capitalist EricQuit posting this abhorrent crap.
As was said before, "you're either with us, or the terrorists."
Choose.
17 Posted on 09/28/2001 20:46:18 PDT by Mrs. KoshIf, for example, the orders, teaching, funding, and planning were coming from the headquarters of The United Methodist Church, I believe 95% of American Christians would be storming those offices, inflitrating the churches, cooperating with authorities, and decrying the group for mass first degree murder AND blaspheming and disgracing Christianity! That is exactly the behavior I do NOT see or hear from any Muslim I have heard. Therefore, I will confidentally infer that 95% of all Muslims worldwide agree with what happened September 11, and that when they have to choose, they will choose the Taliban over ANY country they live in.
18 Posted on 09/28/2001 20:55:15 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
Please, PLEASE pull this thread, before a lot of good, normal people have to be banned for expressing their 1st Amendment rights, to this bastard...?
Here are a nation of long-term historical terrorists rallying more, that our "free press" doesn't mention in the jingoistic rush to go after one guy in a barren land long reduced to isolated rubble, and you have some hesitation about voicing your opinions about what Khameini says that our "free press" isn't telling us is going on? Or what?
Does my Arabic language screen name push a button in your brain so you can't see what I've said? We're not under attack from a ragtag bunch of psychopaths with cell phones. We're under attack from a coalition and haven't been able yet to actually identify the origin of the Tuesday Terror. Who is aiding the terrorists by fanning the flames of the backlash against American muslims? Ask them why they are helping the terrorists.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
19 Posted on 09/28/2001 23:03:26 PDT by ßuddaßuddWould like some cheese with that Whine? Begging doenst become you, does it? LOL
I am sure you will pick your friends very, very carefully from now on forward. Things have changed, It is a new world now. The problems that led you to America have followed you here. ummm ...
Welcome to my nightmare. We are watching you !
ßß
20 Posted on 09/29/2001 00:11:54 PDT by ankaboot (muslims@earthlink.net)
The problems that led you to America have followed you here. ummm ...
I suppose that might have some meaning to someone who wasn't born in America. When I read it, it's just ignorant racist jingoistic blather. I was born in Oregon.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
21 Posted on 09/29/2001 07:43:16 PDT by daviddennisI have to admit I sympathise with the muslim's complaints here. They're just echoing complaints about our public school systems that I've heard from conservatives many a time.
Substitute catholic schools for muslim ones, leave in the bit about home schooling, and remove all the arab terms, and you could have published that essay in National Review! Perhaps this is a hopeful sign that even an alien culture has some of the same complaints about America we do.
Perhaps you confused it with the previous article, Kosovo & Kashmir: Muslims Must Share the Blame? That one was indeed terrifying. (Paraphrased) Give a man a fish and he will live for a day; give him a grenade and a shotgun and he will die for Allah and enter Paradise. Spooky stuff.
D
22 Posted on 09/29/2001 14:32:06 PDT by Ragtime Cowgirldennis, it's as if we're looking at reality through a funhouse mirror. I chose the first link because they do have many similar complaints about the corruption of our media/schools, but the differences between us are evident in the words and phrases. We are ENEMY. Everyone ELSE is to blame for their problems (their biggest difference with the civilized world, IMHO). Violent words and phrases are used without apology or restraint:
The curriculum is set by our open enemies....Once this is understood then what kind of Muslim would send his/her child to be educated by the enemy of Allah and His Rasul (saaws)?
(Ther children) must be made to understand that the only threat to The New World Order is Islam. And as the inheritors of Islamic leadership they are being targeted by the Zionists and the Christians who intend to corrupt them and take them out of Islam.
ALL OF #3- "TOUGH" Love(?) -threatening the unruly youths with sicking thug friends on them to break their legs and destroy their property.
I shudder when I look on the fact that while it took 400 years of slavery, the introduction of liberalism and the systematic erosion of family values and morals to reduce African-Americans to the level of deviancy (it's always someone else's fault) that many of them are at today after just one generation removed from their native lands, America has already corrupted so many immigrant Muslim youth.From: The meaning of Hijrah
1)It is a duty for every Muslim to flee the land of war, where one can not put the teachings of Islam into practice, and migrate to the land of Islam.
4) Muslims’ activities and actions are to be planned and programmed.
5)Muslims are advised to have recourse to secrecy while putting their goals and plans into effect.
12)Muslims are permitted to seek he help of non-Muslims provided that (1) the helpers must be honest, and (2) power as well as leadership must be in Muslims’ hand.
It's easy to understand why a million angry, young black men inflamed by race-hustlers like JJ at home and the culture of victimhood chose to join militant Muslim groups like the Nation of Islam where every white-skinned, blue eyed person is called the enemy in their teachings, yet the same media/culture the Muslims' say they despise let them get away with hate-speech and racist recruiting. David Duke? Please. He's Archie Bunker compared to these folks.Why in the world do they vote Democrat?
Do you think the terrorists are really coming out of Persia and not the Arab world? I know Persians hate the US too but aren't the hijackers all Arab and none were Persian?
23 Posted on 09/30/2001 08:32:17 PDT by FITZ
Would you say that the people fleeing Afghanistan -- who had nothing whatever to do with Tuesday's attack -- are something other than terrorized? Please take a look at Guide to Events for this paragraph:
Fourth, before asking why a regime acts savagely, ask first why it does not. The nature of police power in any party is to prevent, paralyze, and penalize savagery: savagery exists only when government fails in this purpose, which requires government to be ready to meet savagery on its own terms. Why, then, does a capable force not do so? Behind this is the answer to why it acts with savagery when and where it does.
In other words, we deploy terror ourselves when it's the appropriate thing to do. The enemies of America had damn well better be terrorized by our elite forces, or we'll have to talk to Travis McGee, our resident Seal here at Free Republic, to find out why.
I've not even hinted at the bizarre notion that there are no terrorists coming out of the Arab world. But for some reason a lot of people seem to think there's only one madman on the planet and that he's running around Afghanistan. I think we'd better wake up to the fact that someone is out to destroy America and all of us with it, and that it isn't just some minor field commander in Afghanistan.
Bin Laden is like Jesse Jackson: a media creation, occasionally useful for "information media" purposes. Who was it who asked "Oh, yes? And how many divisions has this Pope of whom you speak?" When he's used up, someone else will emerge as the new "Doctor No" of this James Bondian media fantasy.
Is he dangerous? Probably. Will he get wiped? Possibly. Is he who the Arabs have been grooming as an "Imam Mahdi" figure to inspire the masses to a jihad against the Great Satan? It doesn't look like it. bin Laden is a symbol -- someone else's symbol, being held up for us to look at and for the muslims of the millennial muslim world to look at. Who's doing what while we're all looking at bin Laden?
I know Persians hate the US too but aren't the hijackers all Arab and none were Persian?
Well, let's see ...
Two pilots were brothers who turned out to be not on the planes -- one in Florida talking with the FBI and the other dead in a plane crash a year ago. They weren't on the planes.
Five of the listed terrorists are alive and well in Saudi Arabia, including one I think I know personally, and another is in I think Morocco or Algeria, or maybe one in each, I forget. They weren't, however, on the planes.
The one I remember, 'Abdur-Rahman al-Omari but listed as "'Abdul-'Aziz al-Omari" which has been acknowledged to have been erroneous, got his masters' from the University of Oregon at Eugene, while bringing up three children in an upscale block apartment on the west side of Eugene -- now he has four children. The very name "al-Omari" on a list of "terrorists" is utterly ludicrous: that tribe has been a core of the privileged classes of the rigidly caste structure of Arab civilization for fourteen hundred years. They are targets of the terrorists.
One of the pictured terrorists is alive and well in the Holy Land somewhere, I noticed that as I was scanning my InBox this morning, after being up all night with the flu, he wasn't on the plane.
Four terrorist pilots were on one plane, no terrorist pilots on one other plane.
The pilots learned how to fly in the back seat of a car on the way to a parking lot. That's where one of them left an Arabic-language manual from pilot school ...
After five years of patient planning in secrecy so complete that not one intelligence organization in the world had any idea something was up, the night before zero-hour these world-class terrorists went out to bars and lap dancing and boasting and blowing every element of their security cover.
Sure they did.
First we're going to see the hard evidence linking the Tuesday attack to bin Laden, then we're going to see a white paper but disclosing the evidence would endanger a secret agent somewhere (he can't be pulled out, of course, he's right at the center of the world-wide James Bondian terrorist conspiracy), and now we're not even going to see that.
The cockpit voice recorders, possibly the most indestructible objects constructed by the entirety of American technology and know-how, melted.
I'm not going to recite the full litany of holes in the evidentiary picture that show clearly that everything that's been checked out so far has been falsified. bin Laden's minions don't have the professionalism, skills, or capacity to paint such a sophisticated false trail.
We have no idea who flew those planes into oblivion. We don't even know who was on those planes, let alone who engineered them onto those planes, however that happened.
But five minutes later, it was bin Laden, everybody knows that much, anyway ...
Where's the beef?
In 1979, the revolutionary Persian Khomeini, without firing a shot, pushed Billy -- and the United States of America -- up against the wall with a pinky finger by taking the embassy hostages -- a complete act of apostacy, an absolutely forbidden act that takes the outlaw out of Islam, that proved Khomeini an anti-muslim. Do you happen to recall who was the first diplomat to go to Qum on a "humanitarian mission" but more likely to offer his principal's allegiance?
Do you remember who was the spiritual leader of the world's leftist parties at that time in history, when Khomeini took the red flag of revolution away for Persia and painted it black?
Not knowing the timetable is hard. I have to wait for solid, compelling, recognizable and acknowledged evidence before I'm sure of what's going on. But what I already see is enormous.
We'd better gird ourselves for battle, faithful of the Houses of Abraham in America, they're coming for us.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
24 Posted on 09/30/2001 20:40:12 PDT by ankaboot
25 Posted on 09/30/2001 20:56:23 PDT by father_elijah
I'm sure you're right about bin Laden not being the only one. And maybe the identities of the hijackers isn't known or maybe they had video of them at some point in the airports and they do know who they are. And you're right about this being enormous. I hope we do have the help of many Muslims especially since they know the culture and languages and have access to information we need.
26 Posted on 09/30/2001 21:23:49 PDT by FITZ
LOL! The highest levels of American policy making and strategic guidance have been closed to anyone of Arab or muslim origin for decades. They're out there right now trying to hire translators for the languages, to process our own raw intelligence gathering, since everything we've been getting has come from foreign sources that Bush and his aides have just discovered are utterly unreliable and some of whom are the enemy.
American muslims have been so systematically and thoroughly blocked from contributing information and understanding to the discussions that at this point Bush has no clue who to ask what. They're looking at ambitious missionaries with agendas of their own and "images" to protect -- they think -- who don't know anything and wouldn't understand an "American interest" if it smacked them in the nose.
But America's police agencies and domestic intelligence branches have been "helped out" by so may "good loyal Americans" who have had an agenda against Arabs and muslims, for so long, with blacklists and police espionage and "secret evidence" and plain fabrication, that muslim community leaders are a little bit shy when someone comes "investigating," it's often perceived as a bit "hostile" even though it might not be. Maybe had J. Edgar Hoover not written "approach the way you would approach a mad dog," FBI agents now visiting muslim leaders in the grass roots might be perceived differently.
But yeah, we're here. Better than that, God has His Own Plans that no one can change and pretty much it's something we all should watch. With interest. It's pretty awesome.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
27 Posted on 09/30/2001 23:07:06 PDT by ankaboot
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