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Saudi Friends, Saudi Foes (mine: the MOST dangerous terrorist state?)

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Source: The Weekly Standard
Published: 10/1/2001 Author: Stephen Schwartz
Posted on 10/01/2001 14:58:07 PDT by NYS_Eric

Saudi Friends, Saudi Foes
Is our Arab ally part of the problem?
by Stephen Schwartz


THE EXTRAORDINARY ACT of destruction seen on September 11 had a noteworthy harbinger in Islamic history. In 1925, Ibn Saud, founder of the present Saudi Arabian dynasty, ordered the wholesale destruction of the sacred tombs, graveyards, and mosques in Mecca and Medina. These are, of course, the two holy cities of Islam, whose sanctity the Saudi exile Osama bin Laden and other Islamist extremists ostensibly seek to protect from the defiling presence of U.S. troops on Saudi soil.

Saud’s armed supporters, in a frenzy of iconoclasm, first leveled Jannat al-Baqi, the "heavenly orchard" in Medina, where one of the original associates of Muhammad was buried under the prophet’s supervision. Other relatives and thousands of early companions of the prophet were also interred at the site, as were the imams Hassan and Hussein, venerated by Sunni and Shia Muslims. All these graves were wrecked by Saud’s minions, who then looted the treasure at the prophet’s shrine.

The Saud party went on to demolish the cemetery in Mecca where the prophet’s mother, grandfather, and first wife, Khadijah, were buried; then to smash many more honored sites, devastating the architectural achievements of Arabia, including mosques and even Muhammad’s house. Only the tomb of the prophet was spared, after an outcry from traditional Muslims.

This spree of vandalism was accompanied by wholesale massacres of Muslims suspected of rejecting Wahhabism, a fanatical strain of Islam that emerged in Arabia in the eighteenth century and has periodically disturbed the Muslim world. In the nineteenth century, it fueled the Arab nationalist challenge to the tolerant and easygoing Ottoman Empire; and it became, and remains today, the state-sanctioned doctrine of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, founded in 1932.

These events of 75 years ago aid in understanding the violence of bin Laden and other Islamic terrorists, who (since the waning of atheist leftism as a motivating ideology) are all Wahhabis. A direct line extends from the demolition of the holy places in Medina and Mecca through the slaughter of 58 tourists in Egypt in 1997, the orgy of killing in Algeria in this decade, and the bombardment of the Buddhist statues at Bamyan by the Taliban only months ago to the assault on the World Trade Center, symbol of Western wealth and power. In all these cases, unrestrained destruction and bloodshed were justified by Wahhabi doctrine.

Wahhabis, who regard the veneration of the prophet and of saints as a polytheistic corruption of Islam, are offended by the honoring of tombs and shrines, along with many other traditional Muslim practices. Observance of the prophet’s birthday, for example, is illegal in Saudi Arabia, although lately Prince Abdullah has introduced a novel concession: Observances in private homes will no longer be subject to suppression by the religious police.

Wahhabism’s bloodstained record explains why so many Muslims around the world fear and hate Islamic fundamentalism—and why certain marginal types are drawn to it. As an acquaintance of mine put it, in Muslim Morocco, the footloose young sons of the lower middle class and proletariat can take one of three paths. They may adopt Western ways, drink and acquire girlfriends, and be envied. They may take up the life of an ordinary observant Muslim and be respected. Or they may join the Wahhabis—funded by the Saudis and organized by such as bin Laden—and be feared.

This is the most important point for Western leaders to understand right now: The West has multitudes of potential Muslim allies in the anti-terror war. They are the ordinary, sane inhabitants of every Muslim nation, who detest the fundamentalist violence from which they have suffered and which is symbolized, now and forever, by the mass murder in New York.

There is another historical lesson to be drawn. Wahhabism—whose quintessence is war on America—seeks to impel Islam centuries back in time, to the faith’s beginnings, yet it is neither ancient nor traditional. Indeed, it achieved its culmination, the establishment of the Saudi kingdom, only in the 1930s, in parallel with fascism and Stalinism. Although it appears to be a rejection of modernity, Wahhabism can usefully be thought of as a variant of the nihilistic revolutionary ideologies that spilled oceans of blood in the twentieth century but finally collapsed—truly, the discredited lies consigned to history’s graveyard of which President Bush spoke.

Saudi-backed Wahhabism may indeed follow communism to disintegration sooner than we think; it may now stand at the close of its influence in the world. That is because the Saudi regime has placed itself in a position much like that of the Soviets at their end. The Saudis have been forced to make concessions to the West that clash with the puritanical demands of Wahhabism; their actions do not match their words. In the same way, the Bolshevik rulers of Russia established an order blatantly in conflict with the egalitarian and progressive promises held out by Communist ideology. And like the Soviets, the Saudis have chosen a method of compensating for their failures that will inevitably undermine their power.

The Soviet Union, although pledging coexistence with the capitalist nations, wasted vast resources on Third World adventures intended to expand its influence and legitimize its revolutionary rhetoric. These ranged from the Spanish Civil War through the Korean War and on to Cuba, Indochina, Central America, Africa, and of course Afghanistan. The irresolvable contradiction between the reality of Soviet communism and its pretensions helped mightily to prepare its downfall.

Similarly, the Saudi regime poses as an ally of the democracies in the antiterrorist coalition, while continuing to spend vast sums of its oil revenues to promote Wahhabi radicalism throughout the Islamic world and the Muslim communities in the West, including America. Recall the Saudis’ obstruction of the investigation of the suicide-bombing of the Khobar towers in which 19 Americans died in 1996. Now it emerges that almost all of the footsoldiers of the September 11 conspiracy whose nationality has been ascertained were Saudi nationals. The truth is that powerful elements in Saudi society have supported Osama bin Laden throughout his campaign of terror, just as they support the Taliban.

An incident observed after the war in Kosovo—in which the West liberated a million and a half Muslims from a genocidal Serbia—shows how the Saudis spread their vicious doctrine and in the process earn the contempt of traditional Muslims. After the NATO bombing ended in July 1999, something called the Saudi Joint Relief Committee for Kosovo, or SJRCK, appeared on the scene. In its first two months, the committee claimed to have spent a million dollars.

Half of this was used to bring 388 Islamic "propagators" or missionaries to Kosovo to spread Wahhabism among the Kosovars. A key goal was to recruit young men for training as Wahhabi imams. Saudi-subsidized mass "cultural programs" featuring prayers and lectures were held in stadiums. Propaganda printed in Albanian pushed a simple message: Reject the West in its totality. The Albanians were unreceptive, and soon the Saudis and "aid workers" from other Gulf states had become so overbearing that the local Muslim clergy were urging U.N. administrators to expel them from Kosovo. The mufti of Kosovo, Dr. Rexhep Boja, declared that the Kosovars had been Muslims for more than 500 years and needed no instruction in the faith from foreigners.

Such anecdotes, common in the Balkans, the Caucasus, Central Asia, India, and elsewhere, should help the West address its immediate problem: How to beat terrorism without being seen to lead the global crusade against Islam that Wahhabi propaganda insists we intend? We must first abandon the illusion that because the Saudis are rich and their economic interests coincide with ours they are all our friends. But we must also commit time and effort to helping forward-looking, mainstream, and above all anti-Wahhabi Muslims become part of a permanent coalition for worldwide security.

Many strategists in Western capitals ask where we will find Muslims prepared to stand by the West. One tested Muslim statesman who is widely respected, even idolized, in the Islamic world is the wartime president of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Alija Izetbegovic. A learned and pious Muslim who was imprisoned for his faith by Tito’s Communist regime, Izetbegovic led the fight for the survival of Bosnian Islam. He is an authentic warrior in a legitimate jihad.

In 1997, addressing the Organization of the Islamic Conference in Tehran, Izetbegovic declared, "Islam is best, but we [Muslims] are not the best. The West is neither corrupted nor degenerate. It is strong, well educated, and organized. Their schools are better than ours. Their cities are cleaner than ours. The level of respect for human rights in the West is higher, and the care for the poor and less capable is better organized. Westerners are usually responsible and accurate in their words. Instead of hating the West, let us proclaim cooperation instead of confrontation."

Izetbegovic, of course, is not an Arab, but neither are most of the Muslims in the world. Most of the world's Muslims, given the chance, would gladly side with Izetbegovic against both bin Laden and his patrons in Saudi Arabia, a culturally incoherent, politically two-faced country that we should regard as a state backer of terrorism at least as dangerous as Libya or Iran.



Stephen Schwartz is working on a book to be entitled The Two Faces of Islam.




1 Posted on 10/01/2001 14:58:07 PDT by NYS_Eric
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To: NYS_Eric

Kill 'em all and take their freakin' oil.

2 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:04:46 PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: NYS_Eric

BTTT

3 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:06:56 PDT by independentmind
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To: NYS_Eric

With friends like them, who needs enemies?

4 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:11:12 PDT by paul51
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To: NYS_Eric

I see Osama Bin Laden, is a mama's boy, an adopted Palestinian or Syrian -- a bastard, like Clinton. Trying to make the world right, as zealous as Clinton in proving himself.

And the men he wants to prove himself to are the Saudis.

Interesting difference in approach.


5 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:11:32 PDT by bvw
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To: NYS_Eric

There is much to the view that the Saudis are far closer to being part of the problem than part of the solution. Of course taking them all out would be tough, and we do need their oil.

Other than for oil, and the strategic position of Suez and the Horn of Africa there is absolutely no reason to have anything to do with any of the Moselm states of the Middle East and Southewest Asia. Let 'em stew in their own pig fat.


6 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:18:32 PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: Travis McGee

bump

8 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:28:08 PDT by patent
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To: Otto DeFay

Why aren't we hearing this message from the mainstream press, and, more particularly, the Bush administration?

9 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:31:57 PDT by independentmind
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To: NYS_Eric,Travis McGee,snopercod,brityank,Covenantor,mommadooo3,JeanS,Alamo-Girl

Very nice catch.

10 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:34:57 PDT by First_Salute
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To: independentmind

Exactly.

11 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:35:39 PDT by First_Salute
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To: NYS_Eric

"Only the tomb of the prophet was spared, after an outcry from traditional Muslims."

LOLOL_____Steven Schwartz is a pathetic liar.


12 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:37:19 PDT by Samaritan
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To: independentmind

Only one reason: Oil.

13 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:37:58 PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: Otto DeFay

And you know about Wahabbi Islam because?

14 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:41:09 PDT by Samaritan
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To: Republic of Texas

It really is OUR oil. We had contracts and then they reneged and nationalized all the oil wells stealing them from us. How many Saudi hands got chopped off for this theft?

15 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:48:46 PDT by rebdov
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To: NYS_Eric

Wahhabis, who regard the veneration of the prophet and of saints as a polytheistic corruption of Islam, are offended by the honoring of tombs and shrines, along with many other traditional Muslim practices.

Then I don't think they'll mind when the Dome of the Rock, Mecca and Medina are leveled.

Nuke em and take the oil.


16 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:49:25 PDT by Centurion2000
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To: independentmind

What offend the Saudis? They own at least half the most prominent 'patriotic'names in the country. No one attacks Saudis.Bow and scrape. They have dossiers on all the people who have lined their pockets with Saudi shekels.

17 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:51:00 PDT by rebdov
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To: rebdov

You silly boy! The sanctity of contract and the rule of law are decadent Western Judeo-Christian ideas contrary to Islam. You know the Koran approves of deceit and dishonesty by the Paynim in dealing with the Infidels. They simply had us on good: the got us to find the oil, develop the oil and provide a market for it. They figured out we wouldn't go to war if they took it, and they took it. Allah be praised!

18 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:52:46 PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: CatoRenasci

How come so many folks are unaware of this?

19 Posted on 10/01/2001 15:55:36 PDT by rebdov
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To: rebdov

The information is widely available.

Why are most Americans so abysmally ignorant of history generally, even our own? Our lack of an historical consciousness, in contrast to our otherwise less than admirable European cousins, is at the root of many of the stupidities of American politics and policy. Historians and intellectuals have been complaining about his at least since the turn of the 20th century, and it's only gotten worse. I sure don't understand it, having been virtually nursed on both American and European history through the deeds of forebears, but I've come to accept that it exists. Wish I had a better answer.


20 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:01:22 PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: CatoRenasci

The sanctity of contract and the rule of law are decadent Western Judeo-Christian ideas contrary to Islam. You know the Koran approves of deceit and dishonesty by the Paynim in dealing with the Infidels. They simply had us on good: the got us to find the oil, develop the oil and provide a market for it. They figured out we wouldn't go to war if they took it, and they took it. Allah be praised!

If what you say is true, then it seems the West is guilty of stupidity. Why did we ever think that our market institutions would be viable in foreign cultures?


23 Posted on 10/01/2001 16:55:09 PDT by independentmind
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To: independentmind

Why did we ever think that our market institutions would be viable in foreign cultures?

Dunno. Naiivte?


24 Posted on 10/01/2001 17:10:22 PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: independentmind

Why did we ever think that our market institutions would be viable in foreign cultures?

The companies probably thought Uncle Sam would come to the rescue if the locals started acting erratic. Even if they didn't, you only have to think our market institutions might be viable in foreign cultures, and that there's a potentially large payoff, and people will try it. Some usually do in any high-risk, high-profit investment.


25 Posted on 10/01/2001 18:22:48 PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage

What you are suggesting is that the market did not properly assess the risks involved with investments in lands which do not share our culture. This is the fundamental flaw of "free-traders"; market institutions are products of particular cultures. They may, or may not, transfer well to cultures which do not share our values.

26 Posted on 10/01/2001 18:47:45 PDT by independentmind
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To: independentmind

What you are suggesting is that the market did not properly assess the risks involved with investments in lands which do not share our culture.

If you could really assess risks before the event, they wouldn't be risks. :-) People spend money on the lottery, which has almost no chance of paying off and amounts to a donation to the government.

This is the fundamental flaw of "free-traders"; market institutions are products of particular cultures. They may, or may not, transfer well to cultures which do not share our values.

You have a point there.


27 Posted on 10/01/2001 19:41:25 PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: Samaritan

And you know about Wahhabism because....you are one?

Keep in mind, when you hit "post reply", a little chime goes off at FBI HQ and a few screens light up, with your address on them.


28 Posted on 10/01/2001 20:43:56 PDT by Travis McGee
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To: luvzhottea,ankaboot,jesda,Kaj

Can you enlighten us please on Wahhabism in Islam and particularly in America today? Should we be concerned about its spread?

29 Posted on 10/01/2001 20:46:25 PDT by Travis McGee
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To: lent,MHGinTN,Common Tator,Boris,AGaviator,JeepInMazar

bttt

30 Posted on 10/01/2001 20:47:23 PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee

!

31 Posted on 10/01/2001 21:13:23 PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Travis McGee

What's really happening is that America and the West are losing the battle to influence the next generations in the undeveloped world. The only groups active in doing anything for almost all people in those areas are those propagating jihad or other revolutionary ideologies. Meanwhile we're content with cheap oil and supporting political leaders who can barely keep the lid on, not anyone capable of actually changing the popular outlook.

32 Posted on 10/01/2001 21:36:38 PDT by AGAviator
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To: AGAviator

That's obvious, but what (realistically) can be done about it?

Keep in mind, the 9-11 terrorists were not 19 year old provincials.


33 Posted on 10/01/2001 21:42:12 PDT by Travis McGee
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To: CatoRenasci

In less than 20 years they can choke on their oil- fuel cells. It could be much sooner if the US oil companies weren't in control of our government.

34 Posted on 10/01/2001 21:52:49 PDT by Rockitz
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To: Travis McGee

Can you enlighten us please on Wahhabism in Islam and particularly in America today? Should we be concerned about its spread?

I'm sure you've seen in my other Threads that I complain of an agenda to "colonize" Muslim America -- that's the Saudi Wahabbis, with their Salafiyyah movement. Ideologically, they're the inheritors of the Khawarij, the first group to secede from the muslim community claiming a "correct" understanding of Islam against a decision by the fourth successor, 'Ali. Today known as the Ibadi, resident in Oman and minorities in other places, they do not regard "deviants" -- that is, the entirety of Sunni and Shi'ah muslims who did not disagree with 'Ali -- as muslim. Radical Wahhabis have the identical approach to difference of understanding.

In America, they have a slick-cover monthly magazine and are actively recruiting among American muslims, but not making a great deal of headway. Most American muslims recognize them as a Saudi effort to define Islam for Americans, and we don't take to that very well. It is the backlash against American muslims, beyond the influence of the parties of the collapsed millennial muslim world, that has been and continues to be the first aim of the terrorists.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.


35 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:26:18 PDT by ankaboot
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To: ankaboot

Thanks, that is helpful to my understanding.

36 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:50:24 PDT by Travis McGee
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