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9/8/01
Muslims, I am told, believe they have a natural affinity with religiously active Catholics, from a concern for traditional values and the defense of the family to the positive role that religion can play in public life.
G o down the list of pertinent issues on marriage, family values, and the defense of life 78 percent of Muslims are pro-life and you begin to wonder with all they have in common with other religious conservatives, including Catholics and evangelicals, why the Muslim viewpoint gets so little attention.
At a recent briefing at the Islamic Institute in Washington D.C., I was told that Muslim activists observed closely how lay Catholics were organized in helping elect President Bush they, too, want to organize as a political and cultural force. With six million Muslims in the United States and a very high degree of education, wealth, and political participation (i.e., voting), Muslim leaders think the time has come for their perspective to be heard.
Catholics leaders, notably Cardinal Keeler of Baltimore and Cardinal George of Chicago, already have a strong track record of meeting with Muslims and exploring areas of possible collaboration. Evangelical leaders have lagged behind in this respect.
Khaled Saffuri, President of the Islamic Institute, expressed his frustration at constantly being seen through the stereotypes of the Muslim terrorist or the enemy of Christianity. He explained that Muslims are in a very similar situation to that of Catholics in the mid-nineteenth century, who were seen as Catholics first and Americans second. We are trying to understand what it means to be Muslim Americans.
Thus far, Muslims evidently think being an American means voting Republican. In the 2000 election Muslims voted Bush/Cheney between 58 percent to 70 percent depending on whose poll you believe. According to the Tampa Bay Islamic Center, Bush got 88 percent of the Florida tally, or 55,000 Muslim votes. In Michigan, out of 168,000 Muslim voters, 84 percent went for Bush.
Grover Norquist, the well-known conservative organizer and activist, describes the Muslim community as natural conservatives. The stereotypes of terrorists and anti-Christian are ridiculous, he says, since only one out of six Muslims are of Arab descent, and, of the three million Arab-Americans, two thirds are Christian.
It is also a mistake, according to Norquist, to consider them a drain on the U.S. economy: Muslims immigrants dont walk across the border penniless they fly into airports, largely to attend American universities.
No doubt their wealth may make it possible for some sort of Muslim Coalition to emerge along the lines of the Christian Coalition.
Muslim fundraising prowess was recently demonstrated by the short length of time it took for two million dollars to be raised for an upcoming PBS film on the life of Mohammed.
The Muslim leaders gathered at the Islamic Institute are ready to move forward but dont yet know what form their grassroots initiative will take or how closely it will be tied to a political party. But you can bet that both Democrats and Republicans will be paying attention. A Muslim magazine called Islamic Horizons already exists with 100,000 readers, which provides a ready-made base for action.
A famous political organizer told me that once you have 100,000 members of a grassroots organization you are the force the political parties have to contend with. I would guess the Muslims I met with this week are on the verge of just such a breakthrough.
(Editor's Note: Catholic Exchange has a current user base of over 100,000 monthly viewers.)
(Deal Hudson is editor and publisher of CRISIS, America's fastest growing Catholic magazine. He is also an advisor to President Bush. (On the Catholic Vote.) You can reach Deal at hudson@crisismagazine.com.)
This is why, with 6 million American Muslims, we should cool our tendency toward knee-jerk prejudice.
There are about 5,000 psychotic killer Radical Muslims world-wide and about 1 billion, plus, who aren't!
1 Posted on 10/01/2001 21:57:14 PDT by FReethesheeples
2 Posted on 10/01/2001 21:58:37 PDT by FReethesheeples
3 Posted on 10/01/2001 21:58:38 PDT by FReethesheeples
4 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:00:22 PDT by FReethesheeples
5 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:00:23 PDT by FReethesheeples
6 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:01:09 PDT by FReethesheeples
7 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:01:09 PDT by FReethesheeples
8 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:01:54 PDT by FReethesheeples
9 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:01:54 PDT by FReethesheeples
10 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:02:15 PDT by Deb
11 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:02:57 PDT by america-rules
12 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:03:13 PDT by FReethesheeples
13 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:04:48 PDT by Salvation
It was the AFL-CIO's massive grassroots GetOutTheVote campaing that lost MI for Bush & defeated Sen. Spencer Abraham, to boot!
14 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:06:04 PDT by FReethesheeples
It was the AFL-CIO's massive grassroots GetOutTheVote campaing that lost MI for Bush & defeated Sen. Spencer Abraham, to boot!
15 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:06:04 PDT by FReethesheeples
Yes, we should punish only the guilty.
There are about 5,000 psychotic killer Radical Muslims world-wide and about 1 billion, plus, who aren't!
That is perhaps true if you are talking about the currently frothing-at-the-mouth , ready-for-"martyr"-murder, terrorist. But there are far more than 5,000 potential terrorists and/or supporters of terrorism throughout the Muslim world. What about those 10,000 in Karachi burning our President in effigy? There is a huge problem in the Muslim world and Muslims need to be first and foremost in the fight against terror. It is as Bush suggests a choice: you are for civilization or against it.
16 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:08:09 PDT by EaglesUpForever
How dare you slander him.
He's a soldier in the WAR.
you are an armchair critic.
He's a very good fiend of mine, Db.
You have really pissed me off.
17 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:08:40 PDT by FReethesheeples
you have slandered my patriotism & I'll go right down your throat for that!
I hafve worked several thaousand hours for Bush & was on the front lines at everyu step.
Were you?
18 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:11:06 PDT by FReethesheeples
(Running a fever, literally.)
19 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:13:29 PDT by FReethesheeples
Ease up boy. And you don't get respect from us by bumping your own post over, and over, and over.
20 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:14:05 PDT by SkyPilot
21 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:14:44 PDT by wirestripper
Going against all American Muslims is a completely counterproductive and disastrous couirse of action.
22 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:15:06 PDT by FReethesheeples
23 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:15:13 PDT by Truthsayer20
24 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:15:52 PDT by america-rules
;)
25 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:15:53 PDT by FReethesheeples
Deal's a dear friend of mine & would not lie, a-r.
You may be right about the black-vs-arab Muslim vote, being bi-modal, but we might BOTH be surprised!
FReegards,
26 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:18:41 PDT by FReethesheeples
Lieberman's presence on the Dem. ticket might have been a material element in the overwhelming majority of even black (?)Muslim voters going for Bush.
27 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:20:23 PDT by FReethesheeples
28 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:21:33 PDT by FReethesheeples
29 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:23:00 PDT by FReethesheeples
30 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:24:02 PDT by wirestripper
31 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:26:52 PDT by Truthsayer20
"need to be first & foremost in the fight against terror" &
that they have an internal problem of considerable complexity,
with violent fundamentalist radicals in both the Shiite & Sunni braches of Islam:
"Are you for civilization or against it?"
32 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:27:18 PDT by FReethesheeples
33 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:28:20 PDT by doc
A voaltile & senisitive voting bloc.
Even more of a swing bloc than Catholics, which, trditionally, determine who is elected President.
No Prsident in recent years has won teh Presidency without the catholic vote.
Its votlatile:
FDR, Eisenhower(52,56), JFK, Johnson(64), Nixon(68,72), Carter(76), REagan(80,84),Bush(88), Clinton(92,96), each respectively got the Catholic vote majority & won the presidency.
GW Bush may have had up to 1% less of the Catholic vote (or less) tha Al Gore, nationwide,
but he had something like 13% MORE of the Catholic vote than Dole got in 96.
34 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:33:27 PDT by FReethesheeples
35 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:34:15 PDT by FReethesheeples
36 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:35:10 PDT by FReethesheeples
37 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:35:54 PDT by FReethesheeples
38 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:37:53 PDT by FReethesheeples
However, FYI, while I don't care about "respect" (the state of enhancing my ego is not a goal here), I DO care, intensely, about "visibility" of this potentially profoundly important issue.
IMHO, this is a very important political issue, which could affect the next two campaign cycles.... and beyond.
39 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:43:07 PDT by FReethesheeples
However, FYI, while I don't care about "respect" (the state of enhancing my ego is not a goal here), I DO care, intensely, about "visibility" of this potentially profoundly important issue.
IMHO, this is a very important political issue, which could affect the next two campaign cycles.... and beyond.
40 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:43:08 PDT by FReethesheeples
41 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:44:50 PDT by FReethesheeples
I'm not disputing the articles conclusions just the way they presented the data !
42 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:44:53 PDT by america-rules
Please accept my apologies,
but heed my statement re:
Norquist not going for merely a single client,
but being a "unifier".
Have you been to his Wed. morning meetings in D.C.?
Everyone is there!
(On the other hand, with all due respect, the statement about an "important client" did strike me as a bit petty & jealous in tone.
I think Grover Norquist has hundreds of important clients, including the entire conservative-libertarian movement, the entire center-right coalition, the "Leave Us Alone" coalition.)
43 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:51:15 PDT by FReethesheeples
More Muslims than Episcopalians in America.
44 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:53:41 PDT by FReethesheeples
And I attend the David Horowitz Wednesday Morning Club lunches in Beverly Hills.
I agree with the article, though, (non-terrorist) Muslims are a natural for the GOP.
45 Posted on 10/01/2001 22:55:00 PDT by Deb
But doc asked you for real figures, above.
I'll have to go with the one's in thearticle, in the absence of others.
For further strong relevant data, See the Link, above to the ACU website on the Muslim vote in America, picked up by Truthsayer20, I believe.
46 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:00:30 PDT by FReethesheeples
It sounded like inside baseball, all right.
David Horowitz is a buddy & a very brave soldier in the war, don't you think?
Cheers!
(Again, sorry, I really was running a fever & it is much too late here.)
47 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:02:51 PDT by FReethesheeples
48 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:07:11 PDT by FReethesheeples
Good night! (Bump)
49 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:24:11 PDT by FReethesheeples
Good night! (Bump)
50 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:24:19 PDT by FReethesheeples
Good night!
FReegards,
51 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:25:46 PDT by FReethesheeples
52 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:26:26 PDT by Britton J Wingfield
I simply agree with Bush completely at this point, his speech was the greatest reassurance I've had since the tragedy on 9/11: he stated quite clearly this is not against a religion or against a culture: it is against terrorism, which as you say is represented by a small minority of people.
The challenge is huge, though, as radical fundamentalists are something like Leninists were back in the early Soviet days: the non-fanatical masses aren't necessarily out there rallying for moderation or armed ready to defend themselves. A radical few can cause a great deal of damage.
I wish to make it clear I meant no offense to you or to Muslims.
53 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:26:38 PDT by EaglesUpForever
54 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:30:44 PDT by Travis McGee
55 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:44:24 PDT by Dan from Michigan
FRAUD!!!! Pure and simple FRAUD!!! Similar results in most of the major Unionized cities in the US.
Dole received more votes 4 years earlier in a 3 way race. Now is that logical? Fraud in our country is a MAJOR issue.
56 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:50:18 PDT by Gracey
57 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:50:38 PDT by FReethesheeples
I agree. Please send me three thermonuclear weapons with delivery systems and I'll take care of it.
Or for that matter, send the world's muslims good old M-1 shotguns instead of sending their tyrannical rulers helicopter gunships, and they'll take care of it.
Better make that seven thermonuclear weapons.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
58 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:55:59 PDT by ankaboot
Honestly, I don't know what got into me.
I do sincerely apologize!
I completely (COMPLETELY!) agreed with your point once I really read your post, as my post 32 finally indicated.
Well put & very thoughtful contribution.
Please forgive me for completely misconstruing it upon first read.
Again, ou had VERY wise & prudent observations, with which I completely agree.
FReegards,
59 Posted on 10/01/2001 23:59:23 PDT by FReethesheeples
Carefully targeted "tactical" nukes may very well be the preferred weapons of choice for some locations & situations.
Good luck in the war & our common cause (I presume) against oppressive terrorists & cruel tyrants.
60 Posted on 10/02/2001 00:05:15 PDT by FReethesheeples
Good point!
61 Posted on 10/02/2001 00:07:41 PDT by FReethesheeples
62 Posted on 10/02/2001 00:08:30 PDT by FReethesheeples
There are plenty of fanatics in ANY religioon or any ideology; such could number in the millions,
but still the Muslims number in the Hundreds of millions worldwide
& the moderate Muslims are said to be the primary victims, until 9/11/01, at least,
of the Radical extremist ersatz-(pseudo)-Muslims.
63 Posted on 10/02/2001 00:13:32 PDT by FReethesheeples
Except there's this simple matter of James Zogby. Ever look over his web site? After 9-11 he had an "instruction" sheet for Arabs stating What to do if the FBI comes knocking on your door. His response "You don't have to talk to the FBI," something about their "rights." What a piece of turd.
After e-mailing him about his "anti-American" attitude, shortly after I noticed his "instructions" were gone.
64 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:19:35 PDT by Gracey
65 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:21:35 PDT by Gracey
He's polster John Zogby's brother.
Didn't he (James Zogby) work for the Gore campaign in 2000?
66 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:52:43 PDT by FReethesheeples
He must have heard from a few folks, I would hope!
Kudos!
67 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:54:52 PDT by FReethesheeples
68 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:55:30 PDT by FReethesheeples
The night before the 2000 election, I ws on a 200+ person RNC telephone conference call & got to ask the first queston (plus one more later about Florida!):
The question was:
"What are we doing about Voter Fraud?"
I was told the GOP/RNC/Bush campaign had some lawyers on call & on duty in every state, but were woefully under-prepared for the massive Democrat Vote Fraud which occurred Nationwide!
69 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:00:40 PDT by FReethesheeples
The night before the 2000 election, I ws on a 200+ person RNC telephone conference call & got to ask the first queston (plus one more later about Florida!):
The question was:
"What are we doing about Voter Fraud?"
I was told the GOP/RNC/Bush campaign had some lawyers on call & on duty in every state, but were woefully under-prepared for the massive Democrat Vote Fraud which occurred Nationwide!
70 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:00:50 PDT by FReethesheeples
Last time I checked, Catholics were only allowed one wife at a time, not four.
71 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:09:33 PDT by 6323cd
;^)
Of course, there was a landmark U.S. Sup. Ct. case in the 1890s, I think, that outlawed polygamy in Utah, of confirmed the State's right to do so over the objections of Moromon religious teachings & practices at the time...
72 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:28:46 PDT by FReethesheeples
73 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:01:21 PDT by Gracey
Among the vast majority of Repulicans there has been very little "knee jerk prejudice" and a whole lot of wisely-reasoned discretion.
On the other hand, there has been a whole of knee-jerk prejudice fobbed off as tolerence that seeks to label as a "bigot" anyone who uses reasoned discretion.
You may know someone who fits the latter category of knee-jerkers.
74 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:06:38 PDT by Kevin Curry
75 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:07:04 PDT by Gracey
I've been thinking recently that the average conservative Catholic or Christian Evangelical in this country might have more in common with a practicing Muslim than with our jet-setting, hyper-rationalist, materialist.
The cult of Davos has hijacked many of the core institutions of Western culture, and I'm convinced that this is the face the Islamic world sees when they look at us. It is, after all, the face of our popular culture (which is broadcast around the world) and of our economic aristocracy, who seek to re-order geopolitical reality as a system of interlocking and overlapping free trade zones. Religion, whether Christian or Islamic, is an obstacle to them.
76 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:10:19 PDT by cicero's_son
sorry for the typo
77 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:13:13 PDT by cicero's_son
78 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:14:31 PDT by ventana
79 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:27:53 PDT by 6323cd
Hey, you DO seem to have a handle on it.
Here's a recent repost of an old piece on that very subject, originally posted here in the first few months of FR's existence. The idea was to warn before it was too late. Things are changing fast now though, and it almost seems a warning is inadaquate. Rather more like a time to hunker down and at best, document the next wave.
IMHO, they're threatening to pull out all the stops, and are boasting all-or-nothing. Even the formerly smug, high postitioned henchmen for the 'cult' turned pale with trembling lip on public TV right after 911. They seem to be calming down now. I'm still trying to get a handle on the changes.
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80 Posted on 10/02/2001 11:01:41 PDT by Coyote
81 Posted on 10/02/2001 11:15:19 PDT by ventana
You may very well be correct. That's one of the reasons that I would prefer to see military action taken against only those who can be specifically identified as responsible.
82 Posted on 10/02/2001 11:20:21 PDT by independentmind
83 Posted on 10/02/2001 11:46:19 PDT by ventana
It will be interesting to see what the elites do in the coming months and years. I expect that they will essentially "disappear" into the background of Western civilization and, for a time at least, attune their voices to the more populist and nationalist chords that still resonate with the people. No more Durban conferences for awhile, I'm guessing.
Then again, I may be completely wrong about all of this. And even if I'm right, I think the Davos people are destined to fail. Their project is just too big, and too at odds with human nature. Even if they eradicate Islam (along with other fundamentalisms) and carry the gospel of Free Trade into the Middle East and central asia, there will still be civilizational tension. And even if they quell civilizational tension, there will still always be the conflict between the material and the transcendent in the hearts of men.
84 Posted on 10/02/2001 11:56:31 PDT by cicero's_son
As one who has feet in both worlds, the religious & the elitst world, I would submit that in reality the Cult of Davos is not consciously part of 99.9% of the "elite's" reality, except, perhaps, as an unconscious metaphor.
85 Posted on 10/02/2001 13:56:44 PDT by FReethesheeples
BTW, have you read his (Belloc's) "Characters of the Reformation"?
While I don't entirely agree with all of his theses, it is a real "tour de force."
86 Posted on 10/02/2001 13:59:49 PDT by FReethesheeples
Food for thought.
87 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:02:59 PDT by FReethesheeples
88 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:05:31 PDT by KSCITYBOY
89 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:08:12 PDT by FReethesheeples
;^)
90 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:10:23 PDT by FReethesheeples
"The vast majority of Republicans are not knee-jerkers."
91 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:12:49 PDT by FReethesheeples
leave the LP clymers out when you use the word conservative.
92 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:13:05 PDT by NAMMARINE
The Davos crowd (and this is by no means limited to the heavy hitters who actually make the Haj over to Switzerland every year) simply shares a common worldview: mankind is "evolving" toward a rationalist economic utopia. Certain obstaces (Islam, Christian fundamentalism, national sovereignty, racism, etc.) remain, but they can be eliminated through a combination of economic, social, and military pressure. Ultimately, the entire globe will be a giant free trade zone and the materialist good life will be had by all.
93 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:17:08 PDT by cicero's_son
94 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:18:30 PDT by NAMMARINE
95 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:19:11 PDT by Republic of Texas
;^)
Some of us belong on a continuum of conservative-libertarian, while others prefer NO LABELS.
Personally, I embrace elements of both libertarian & conservative philosophies while voting Republican as a kind of "Realpolitik" principle.
96 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:20:24 PDT by FReethesheeples
97 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:21:08 PDT by FReethesheeples
NUFF SAID.... MORON
98 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:25:12 PDT by NAMMARINE
In the U.S. the flag burners are called "Pacifists" & "Prpfessors" and "Ivy Leaguers" and "Network Anchormen" and "pundits" and "experts" and "Civil Libertarians", but NOt,generally, "Moslems."
P.S. Louis Farrakan might want to use your crowd counting skills for his next "Million Man March" where, miraculously, 50,000 men can become "a million"
--- and 5,000 persons can become "A BILLION."
99 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:27:28 PDT by FReethesheeples
The Founders, as 19th Century Jeffersonsian & Madisonian Liberals are what I am talking about.
100 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:29:03 PDT by FReethesheeples
They are doomed & dying.
101 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:30:38 PDT by FReethesheeples
102 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:33:24 PDT by cicero's_son
"the unalienable right to Life,(?)
to Liberty,
or to "the pursuit of Happiness..."?
(Formerly the "Right to Property" unlder the Lockean formualtion and in Jeffersons first four drafts of the Preamble in the National Archives.)
103 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:34:36 PDT by FReethesheeples
"MORON," seems to fit that category.
You are way OFF BASE buddy.
Such remarks could get you thrown into the brig.
104 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:36:40 PDT by FReethesheeples
105 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:37:34 PDT by FReethesheeples
This was a good summary, and I used to believe this was right on the money (so to speak). But I've come to believe it's slightly off the mark.
I think the ultimate goal of these globalist One Worlders is to create Blue Nation World. I don't think they want to eliminate any social dynamic. Quite the opposite, in fact. I think they want social dynamics exagerated (because then they are more pronounced and easier to influence), but they want everything reduced in scale so that everything can be managed, so that _the whole globe_ will be comparable to, say, Los Angeles or New York City -- that is, utterly balkanized, utterly insular, demographically distinct packets of human resources.
If the whole world were a "a rationalist economic utopia" then there would be little real conflict and people might get seriously happy and seriously happy people just shrug off oppression. Happy people laugh at manipulation. OTO, in Blue Nation World there will be constant, engineered strife designed to keep people focused within their demographic. And, when required for whatever social purpose might arise, those strife issues can be raised up to full scale social conflict whenever needed.
The future is Blue Nation World.
Mark W.
106 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:39:38 PDT by MarkWar
5000 to 1,000,000,000 - So why do WE have to fight the 5000?
107 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:46:33 PDT by Bill Rice
My hunch though is that most of the people who are pushing this agenda are not evil, unless sheer banality can be considered evil. They are terribly naive about human nature and about history, and they generally think of themselves as heralding a glorious new age that everyone will like once they bring it into being.
For this reason, it's hard for me to swallow the notion that they are pusing for a sort of global Blue Zone. Make no mistake, trends toward urbanization and centralization of authority will make the Blue Zones of the world even more powerful, but I don't think they aim to blanket the entire world.
Happiness, by the way, can cut both ways. Think of Brave New World, where everyone was cheerful to such an extent that they didn't even realize they were being oppressed.
108 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:53:13 PDT by cicero's_son
109 Posted on 10/02/2001 15:33:13 PDT by wardaddy
The cult of Davos has hijacked many of the core institutions of Western culture, and I'm convinced that this is the face the Islamic world sees when they look at us. It is, after all, the face of our popular culture (which is broadcast around the world) and of our economic aristocracy, who seek to re-order geopolitical reality as a system of interlocking and overlapping free trade zones. Religion, whether Christian or Islamic, is an obstacle to them.
Bingo!
Bump.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
110 Posted on 10/02/2001 17:14:33 PDT by ankaboot
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