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Avenging the flying pigs
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON Many thanks to the more than 600 peace-loving American Muslims who have sent me hate mail including a dozen death threats over my Sept. 27 column, "If pigs could fly." You have helped me gather, effortlessly, valuable intelligence about the mindset of worshippers at the more than 3,000 Islamic centers and mosques across the country.
Islam-Infonet, a news service of the supposedly mainstream Council on American-Islamic Relations, carried my column. Many American Muslims -- men, women; young, old; college students and professionals; almost all of Arab origin -- linked to it from there.
Though they hardly represent the views of all the nation's 6 million or so Muslims, their venomous letters reveal anti-American biases and predispositions that don't square with the peace-loving and patriotic rhetoric mouthed by Muslim scholars and spokespeople on television.
Here is what I've learned:
- In general, Muslims living in America are in deep denial about the role their religion played in the 9-11 attacks.
For example, one Muslim woman insisted that "Muslims did not commit these crimes," referring to the 19 Arab hijackers who left documents drawing on traditional Islamic prayers and alluding to Koranic verses. "Very confused individuals did."
- Most, but not all, doubt Osama bin Laden is behind the 9-11 attacks.
"He has not been tried in a court," argued Lina Abusali. So under American law, "he is innocent until proven guilty."
"Osama is only a suspect in America's mind," scoffed another. "There is no proof."
- Most do not condemn Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia for sheltering bin Laden, and don't suspect its Islamic clerics had any involvement in the World Trade Center or Pentagon attacks.
"Remember, it's not the Taliban that was behind the WTC attacks," claimed M. Attaulla Khan. "They had nothing against America."
- While roundly condemning me for proposing, somewhat tongue in cud, a swine offensive against Afghanistan, not one of the 600-plus American Muslims offered an alternative strategy to defeat Islamic terrorists there.
Not one.
In fact, some seemed more worried than offended by my porcine psyops strategy, and did their best to cast doubt on its effectiveness.
"C'mon, man, do you think your stupid strategy will work?" said a man who signed his name, "Ahmad."
"There are times when Muslims are allowed to eat pork," he assured me, kaffir that I am.
"Muslims aren't afraid of eating pork or [pork] by-products," Dareen Neerad insisted. "And if Muslims eat, unknowingly, pig's meat or lard, then they just have to ask Allah's forgiveness, purify themselves and rinse out their mouths."
Safia Naqvi swore that "Muslims aren't afraid of pigs," and suggested I ham-bone up on my Koran.
But Karen Soud, "a loyal Muslim American," who slammed me for "hate-mongering," admitted in a ray of honesty: "You obviously researched our dietary habits thoroughly."
Indeed, my information came from a spokeswoman for the Islamic Education Center in Potomac, Md.
- Many American Muslims actually believe the Israeli Mossad hatched the plot to strike New York and Washington, somehow enlisting Islamic extremists to carry out the evil deed, in order to drum up more American support for Israel.
"Do you even know if it was Muslims who committed the act?" demanded an American Muslim who signed his letter, "AJM." "How about the Jews who are slaughtering innocent men, women, children, infants, sick and old in Palestine? Why not write an article about them?"
This fellow and other faithful seem to be singing from the same hymnal as bin Laden, who also has fingered Jews for the attacks.
- Muslims in this country assert that Islam is a "peaceful religion," as one Muslim woman put it, that "absolutely does not tolerate violence." Many quoted President Bush's recent comments to that effect.
Gee, I wish someone would fill in hot-head Muhammad Khan. He apparently skipped over the more soothing suras in his Koran.
"Maybe we could grind up your filthy, pathetic body and feed it to the pigs before we send them to the Muslims," Khan wrote me. "You should watch your back from now on. Maybe these 'Islamic fundamentalists' could come after you and your family."
Or Zaafir Mahdi: "Since you are a swine, we will cut you open and drain you of blood, and then the U.S. military can use that if they wish."
Or this peace-loving guy: "I'm surprised that such an anti-Muslim lives. Now you know what needs to be done to anti-Muslims. They deserve to die."
Then there was this sweetheart: "No Muslim would mind to kill a bastard like you."
Others who aren't into murdering columnists just likened me to Hitler.
But the coup de grace came from a guy who compared me to "Bay Watch" actor David Hasselhoff the ultimate insult. After seeing my column mug, he dismissed me as a Hasselhoff knock-off and said I should go "run down the beach with your little red shorts and fake tan."
Ouch.
All this because I proposed a nonviolent (at least to humans) way to quickly win the war on terrorism, one with no risk of collateral casualties to women and children. Pigs may not like it. But, hey, they're short-timing it anyway with Thanksgiving and Christmas approaching.
You'd think American Muslims would want to avenge the deaths of their 6,000-plus fellow Americans. But they seem more interested in honoring and guarding ancient customs, even on behalf of known terrorists half way around the world.
- More disturbing, many of them consider America a terrorist nation.
"Don't get me started on all the countries the U.S. has bombed for money or (out of) political ignorance, and then said it was justifiable," fumed one Muslim man. "But when someone else does it here, they are terrorists."
"These hijackers did not hate Americans," wrote another U.S. Muslim. "They hated the (American) foreign policy. And many nations don't agree with the policy, even many Americans."
- American Muslims are far prouder of their growing sect than their country.
"I don't need to remind you that there are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, including over 7 million in North America, and that Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world," boasted a Muslim woman.
(Given that virtually all foreign terrorists who attack the West are Muslims, that actually may be more cause for alarm than celebration.)
"Before I am an American, I am a Muslim," declared the man with the initials, AJM.
Such a statement coming now, after what has just happened, is chilling. It smacks of divided loyalty. Indeed, American Muslims seem to be straddling two worlds one of wealth, freedom and security here, and one of cultural identity with their brethren in the Middle East.
But America's security vaporized Sept. 11 with the twin towers, and its wealth and freedom aren't far behind, thanks to the terrorists who attacked us in the name of Allah.
Will Americans of Islamic faith help us get our security back, or will they secretly sympathize with the jihad waged by the murderous thieves who took it?
It may not be a choice of country over faith, but it most certainly is like no time since the British terrorized Washington 187 years ago a matter of patriotism.
American Muslims must ask themselves: Do I love and respect my country?
If the answer is yes, then fight with us for her. If no, stop pretending to love and respect her. Have the courage to publicly renounce your citizenship and join the enemy.
Related columns:
Please, Mr. Bush, no Basrah this time
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1 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:03:33 PDT by JohnHuang2
2 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:12:09 PDT by Green Knight
3 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:12:49 PDT by xinga
EVERYWHERE muslims live in proximity to other religions - there seems to be serious trouble. Would some muslim care to comment or explain why this is so?
Semper Fi
4 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:27:23 PDT by river rat
We should be on high alert, for too many of these "peaceful" Muslims have no allegiance to America. Look up the word "Taqija"; a Muslim justification for lying. It should not surprise us later, if we are attacked from within, again.
5 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:28:11 PDT by truth_seeker
6 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:42:27 PDT by Terrorista Nada
7 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:42:43 PDT by nocomad
8 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:50:00 PDT by jrewingjr
Congratulations! I sent out 700 letters to mosques in 1972, asking for Islamic literature, and got five replies -- you seem to have set a record of some kind here, with 600 replies from America's eleven million muslims. What is that -- five thousandths of one percent? Or using the "official" fudged figures of seven million muslims, that would be eight thousandths of one percent?
I think those grinding the axe against muslims here at Free Republic are a similar percentage of Freepers. I thought your column was funny.
But your premises above ...
The evidence that the FBI is gathering from tracking the money trail, tracking the support trail, and counting student pilots, is not pointing to bin Laden, it's pointing in another direction entirely. That's what grassroots muslim leaders are being told by the FBI agents they're talking with, all over the country.
There's a lot more than 600 talking with the FBI. I don't think any of them sent you anything ...
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
9 Posted on 10/02/2001 01:53:57 PDT by ankaboot
"U.S. forces should start by dropping leaflets over Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, warning residents, in their native Persian tongue, that we've enlisted Afghani moles to contaminate their water supplies with pig's blood
"Force-feed Taliban clerics pork rinds"
For example, I wonder what he would say if some liberal joked about force-feeding Dr. Laura a ham sandwich or contaminating her water supply with pig's blood. I have a feeling that it wouldn't be all fun and games anymore, and that he would call it religious bigotry.
Thoughts anyone???
10 Posted on 10/02/2001 02:01:45 PDT by Neither Republican Nor Dem
Not what is being broadcast over the radio and in print. The money trail is leading directly to him. So my guess is the Muslim leaders are spreading disinformation, which is frightening. I was fairly openminded about this until your statemant, now I have serious misgivings about their loyality.
11 Posted on 10/02/2001 02:12:58 PDT by beekeeper
Ask me again after she firebombs NYC killing thousands of Americans and then declares war on us.
Oh, for an IGNORE feature on FR...
12 Posted on 10/02/2001 02:31:39 PDT by Don Joe
Wanna hear a shocker?
There's one muslim leader who stood up for the US.
It was Louie Farrakhan!
Of course, the uberislamics don't consider the Nation of Islam to be real muslims, so I guess it doesn't count after all.
13 Posted on 10/02/2001 02:34:28 PDT by Don Joe
14 Posted on 10/02/2001 02:38:21 PDT by HiTech RedNeck
15 Posted on 10/02/2001 02:39:39 PDT by HiTech RedNeck
16 Posted on 10/02/2001 02:43:12 PDT by WolfsView
17 Posted on 10/02/2001 02:57:50 PDT by dennisw
18 Posted on 10/02/2001 04:09:00 PDT by vrwc54
19 Posted on 10/02/2001 04:19:32 PDT by father_elijah
Your disinformation about where the money leads is a most telling bit of nonsense.
Have a READ HERE>
20 Posted on 10/02/2001 04:34:23 PDT by father_elijah
The Clerics need to publicly denounce this action loudly and often. The Clerics who never attended and spoke in support at Hamas gatherings. We talked about this yesterday, still holds true.
Bless you and God AND Allah bless America,
FM
21 Posted on 10/02/2001 04:51:32 PDT by FrogMom
I recall in the 1980's, while an undergrad, constantly hearing about how the Communist government in the Soviet Union wasn't "really" and truly a Marxist government. I say that reality dictates, in both instances, something else.
Islam is, in reality, represented by the people who are Islamic. What they do and say is the reality of Islam. Just as Marxism was exactly what Lenin and Stalin did. You can say that what's written down is different, but the reality is what is in the hearts and minds of adherents.
22 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:07:41 PDT by TKEman
Itbach al-Qaeda!
23 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:13:25 PDT by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
Strange. All the news web sites aren't reporting this. Care to elaborate on this?
24 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:14:19 PDT by TKEman
25 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:15:43 PDT by veronica
26 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:16:20 PDT by HiTech RedNeck
27 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:17:54 PDT by HiTech RedNeck
Strange how these people embrace a primitive violent religion that loathes everything this country stands for but...
The are here, they enjoy the fruits of our imperfect system, and are able to quote our own laws and principles back to us even as they are busy undermining and destroying...
28 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:36:14 PDT by Publius6961
They are not very consistent about the "loving peaceful compassionate" bit are they.
29 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:50:16 PDT by Publius6961
And they play our domestic "useful idiots" like violins...
And many still refuse to see it.
30 Posted on 10/02/2001 05:54:42 PDT by Publius6961
"I don't need to remind you that there are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, including over 7 million in North America, and that Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world," boasted a Muslim woman.
(Given that virtually all foreign terrorists who attack the West are Muslims, that actually may be more cause for alarm than celebration.)
"Before I am an American, I am a Muslim," declared the man with the initials, AJM.
Such a statement coming now, after what has just happened, is chilling. It smacks of divided loyalty. Indeed, American Muslims seem to be straddling two worlds one of wealth, freedom and security here, and one of cultural identity with their brethren in the Middle East.
31 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:07:40 PDT by TrueBeliever9
Thank you for demonstrating your firm grasp of how the number of responses on any issue represents the actual percentage of people disagreeing on the issue.
So you conclude or attempt to imply that all the others agree with him.
How droll...
32 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:13:26 PDT by Publius6961
Thoughts anyone???
If Dr. Laura or terrorism against America were connected to a political group of orthodox Jews the response would be the same. Those who attacked America must be dehumanized so that we may deliver the proper response. If we are to eliminate the Taliban they must be looked upon as vermin, a better analogy is the cockroach, not only useless to humanity but detrimental to its health.
Whatever we do, in doing so we must display to the rest of the vermin, who might exist elsewhere, the consequences of attacking America.
33 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:13:27 PDT by TightSqueeze
34 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:16:56 PDT by Harley - Mississippi
35 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:18:30 PDT by Prodigal Daughter
36 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:23:51 PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
37 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:25:08 PDT by Luis Gonzalez
But the problem is, they didn't kill "foreign policy" - they killed 6,000 civilians.
38 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:25:23 PDT by jimt
39 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:28:30 PDT by Harley - Mississippi
Sorry for the vulgarity, but -
PIG-SH!T!
Right, the FBI are whispering sweet nothings in the clerics ears.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Muslims have to get with the program here in the USA, or leave. This country was not founded to be immigrated to, and then changed by the immigrants to look like their homeland.
The USA IS now the homeland, and although we are incredibly diverse, WE ARE AMERICANS!
Muslims had better learn this simple lesson, learn it soon, and learn it well. Muslims will NOT change this country to discomfit me (VietNam vet), my Father (WWII vet), or anyone else I know. It is not within the purview of any new citizens, nor has it ever been.
prambo
40 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:29:39 PDT by prambo
That is a potential of about 12,500 terrorist cells if there are about 20 to a cell. Even if you assume that half with radical leanings would never act on them that still leaves a potential 6,250..feel better now?
41 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:33:11 PDT by MissAmericanPie
42 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:39:16 PDT by marsis
43 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:39:40 PDT by Harley - Mississippi
44 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:42:33 PDT by Cvengr
45 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:47:04 PDT by Harley - Mississippi
46 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:50:37 PDT by MissAmericanPie
Crank up those hog farms in Iowa 'cause all's fair in love and war.
47 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:51:48 PDT by tractorman
Time to hit the reloading bench with a vengeance, so to speak.
prambo
48 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:55:55 PDT by prambo
Deport all MUSLIMS now. Destroy Mecca. Destroy every Islamic temple in this country. Do it now, or we are doomed to spend the rest of our lives living in fear and tragedy. They will never give up until they slit your own throat with a box cutter.
If you think the terror is all over, you haven't seen anything yet, and neither have your children. American Muslims are not Americans, they're Muslims first, foremost and forever. If the tide starts to turn in their favor you will see these foul-smelling vermin switch sides in a heartbeat,...yours!!
49 Posted on 10/02/2001 06:59:02 PDT by Doc Savage
50 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:06:55 PDT by Re-electNobody
Islam is not a religion; it is a cult of murder:
Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 190914But if there befalls you grace from God, he would sayas though there were no friendship between you and himO would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness! Let those then fight in Gods way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in Gods way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.
What ails you that ye do not fight in Gods way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?
Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satans tricks are weak.
Do ye not see those to whom it is said, Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms; and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time? Say, The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;but they shall not be wronged a straw.
... Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in Gods way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an allianceor who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,then God hath given you no way against them.
Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;over these we have made for you manifest power.
51 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:09:37 PDT by SlickWillard
52 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:11:13 PDT by Whilom
Cannot the same be said for islam? Haven't we seen their 'ambassadors' and their actions?
53 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:15:15 PDT by mommadooo3
The imam had an opportunity to express the Muslim viewpoint on the incident, but did not use it. If we don't have all the information, we will draw conclusions on the info we do have.
54 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:25:48 PDT by Tymesup
My thoughts after reading their replies to this guy?
Let's open up some camps and intern them while we sort things out. (This will make it much easier to find their 5th column.)
All without valid visas, or found with ANY ties to the terrorists get sent back to the wonderful, peace loving islamic $hithole they came from. (after a "peace loving" interrogation with Sodium Pentathol)
The end result? Our country safe again, and a bunch of folks who hate us and take advantage of our kindness and vulnerabilities, still hating us, but doing it from their own $hit hole country.
But we NEVER do things the easy way, do we?
55 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:29:53 PDT by Bill Rice
56 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:39:45 PDT by Jack Black
CHRISTIANS didn't just attack us, CHRISTIANS haven't been hijacking planes and hiding behind women and children for the last 40 years or so. CHRISTIANS don't switch sides at the drop of a hat, or snivel about getting territories back after they get their a$$es kicked.
This isn't about CHRISTIANS, it's about muslims! Muslims who have infiltrated OUR country, aren't good citizens, and don't belong here. DUH!
57 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:41:24 PDT by Bill Rice
The problem with your 'solution' is that to date there is no evidence whatsoever that the terrorists got any aid or assistance from anyone outside of their cell. Nothing from the Arab community. Nothing from Arab-American citizens. None from Arab emigrants unconnected with their plot. So you will lock up millions of people who had nothing to do with it and whose rights you obviously don't care about. How are they supposed to feel about you once you let them out of the camps?
58 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:41:26 PDT by Non-Sequitur
There sure is. They have never, here or anywhere, denounced terrorism or worked to rid their countries and communities of terrorists. I'm sure there are some good moslems, but since there is no way to tell the good from the bad, I will never trust any of them. Better safe than sorry and to hell with anyone's "feelings".
59 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:47:53 PDT by Octar
They couldn't even drum up examples of moderate Muslims to stand next to the President in the mosque where he was busy assuring us of how harmless they are, only to find out that two standing next to him are heads of charity fronts for Hamas. The muslim cleric at the National Cathedral is head of CIAR a terrorist charity front.
In a meeting held at the White House between President Bush and Muslim community leaders, the guy setting next to Bush is a big time radical supporter of terrorism. Now the news breaks that Bush was about to announce US support for a Palestinian State. If anything good can possibly come from such a horrendus tragedy, maybe this will wake up our politicians to the danger we are all in, especially them.
60 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:55:19 PDT by MissAmericanPie
61 Posted on 10/02/2001 07:55:33 PDT by F16Fighter
Nothing wrong with that. Before I am an American, I am a Christian.
62 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:03:32 PDT by Sloth
I STILL scratch my head over the Bush statement that this isn't a 'religious' war. OK, OK...so I'm NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer, but if THEY attack this country because of their religious beliefs and reasons, WHY is it NOT a religious war? And if it's related to Israel and our support of them, WHY is it NOT a religious war? (now, where'd I put my whetstone?)
63 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:07:39 PDT by mommadooo3
Right - how about the raghead that was with Bush at the national memorial. His organization of American mulsims raises money for Hamas.
If the muslims can't police themselves, then we need to do it for them.
Before you start citing examples of arab co-operation, you need to took at what country the particular bunch represents. (Hopefully it's the USA!) They may have a score to settle with whatever current country that's on the hotseat.
They don't root out terror in their own countries. Until they police themselves, I don't trust them, and anyone who does is a fool.
64 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:12:24 PDT by Bill Rice
I hope the FBI has their eyes on this treasonous jerk. Just another one of those famous "peaceful" muslims no doubt. How would you like to be sharing a cross country flight with mr "im a muslim first"???
65 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:19:31 PDT by Walkin Man
Same here, but there is one little difference. Jesus doesn't tell me in the Bible to kill non-Christians!
66 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:23:37 PDT by Walkin Man
67 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:33:06 PDT by Sloth
68 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:33:21 PDT by Republic of Texas
69 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:35:05 PDT by Republic of Texas
70 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:37:14 PDT by Republic of Texas
I suggest you study harder, your ignorance is obvious.
71 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:38:26 PDT by TightSqueeze
72 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:40:11 PDT by Republic of Texas
73 Posted on 10/02/2001 08:44:04 PDT by Sloth
74 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:15:34 PDT by ravingnutter
75 Posted on 10/02/2001 09:19:57 PDT by wita
76 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:05:48 PDT by segis
If that is not his reason then feel free to suspect that he has a prayer rug, and we are in real trouble, lol.
77 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:21:13 PDT by MissAmericanPie
78 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:22:02 PDT by MHGinTN
79 Posted on 10/02/2001 10:30:37 PDT by Tymesup
80 Posted on 10/02/2001 14:17:21 PDT by Prodigal Daughter
Here ya go Sloth.
Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191 ), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. :123 ), slay them (Q. : 5 ), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29 ). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85 ). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. : 11 ), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. : 28 ). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193 ). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17 ). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (Q.5: 34 ). As for the disbelievers, it says that for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (Q. 22: 9 ). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23 ), (Q. 3: 28 ). Quran asks the Muslims to strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52 ), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9 ). The holy Prophet demanded his follower to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; then after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (Q. 47: 4 ). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34 ). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10 ). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228 ). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12 ), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282 ). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four views and gave them license to sleep with their slave maids and as many captive women as they may have (Q. 4:3 ). He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah.
81 Posted on 10/02/2001 16:02:22 PDT by Walkin Man
82 Posted on 10/02/2001 16:07:33 PDT by Anonymous2
83 Posted on 10/02/2001 16:08:41 PDT by Anonymous2
84 Posted on 10/02/2001 16:12:49 PDT by Former Proud Canadian
Here we go again:
Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 190914But if there befalls you grace from God, he would sayas though there were no friendship between you and himO would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness! Let those then fight in Gods way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in Gods way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.
What ails you that ye do not fight in Gods way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?
Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satans tricks are weak.
Do ye not see those to whom it is said, Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms; and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time? Say, The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;but they shall not be wronged a straw.
... Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in Gods way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an allianceor who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,then God hath given you no way against them.
Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;over these we have made for you manifest power.
85 Posted on 10/02/2001 16:46:34 PDT by SlickWillard
86 Posted on 10/02/2001 16:47:30 PDT by In mourning for six years
Thank you! That's a very nice website to visit. And you're right -- those behind the Tuesday Terror and the war to destroy America have no idea who they're messing with.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
87 Posted on 10/02/2001 18:06:20 PDT by ankaboot
Liar, you're not sorry for the vulgarity at all, you're just a sorry excuse for an American and a disgrace of a Freeper.
Personally, I could care less what you believe and what you don't, it makes no difference at all, reality prevails despite the skepticism of the ignorant. Muslim leaders across the country have been working with the FBI and with police and intelligence professionals on all levels, in spite of a long-term effort to prevent exactly that. Once the FBI had followed all the "leads" to blind alleys and wild goose chases, they knew where to turn for help, and we have been here all along. Not to take any credit, though, the FBI's own efforts have followed the money trail, the support trail, and the pilot training trail, to where it actually leads.
By the way, did you happen to catch on the news that all the visiting students from one Arab country withdrew from school and flew home as soon as the airlines were up and running again? Looks like at least some anticipated your sage counsel, or at least your attitude.
But that's hardly worth discussing with someone as well-informed as you are. Instead ...
Muslims have to get with the program here in the USA, or leave. This country was not founded to be immigrated to, and then changed by the immigrants to look like their homeland.
... let's talk about "changed by the immigrants to look like their homeland," as if that hasn't happened with every wave of immigration in the history of this Lost Continent ... oops, I mean "New World" -- to some, anyway.
I was born here, my parents were born here, my grandparents were all born here, and some of my great-grandparents and all of their ancestors back to Japheth son of Noah were born here. They welcomed your ancestors to these shores.
So as far as I'm concerned, you can take your racist pig-sh!t back where you came from, immigrant, or you can stay here in America where that kind of crap just gets lost in the goodness of peoples' hearts, whatever they believe in the way of a Good Book.
Muslims had better learn this simple lesson, learn it soon, and learn it well. Muslims will NOT change this country to discomfit me (VietNam vet), my Father (WWII vet), or anyone else I know. It is not within the purview of any new citizens, nor has it ever been.
I'm a Vietnam vet, my father was a U.S. Navy veteran of World War II. And I'm responsible so far for seven "new citizens" who happen to be muslim -- six boys and a girl, ages eight through twenty-five -- who will most definitely be changing America, but only to the discomfiture of those who make themselves enemies to America and our way of life.
Is that you? Or do you just have this confusion between the two ends of your digestive tract that causes you to talk that way?
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
88 Posted on 10/02/2001 18:44:10 PDT by ankaboot
Yep. I heard him. Imagine him and me fighting side by side against a common enemy???
Yikes!
89 Posted on 10/02/2001 19:05:52 PDT by DrCarl
Sorry to pop your bubble, but the Saudi Wahhabis and their pet professional "umbrella" organizations own more mosques than that, mostly of them held by the North American Islamic Trust, and their local "elected" hothead leaderships do not reflect the views and beliefs of the muslims who attend those mosques, who can't be bothered with the "mosque politics" of the unmarried singles set. Kabbani had it wrong when he cried wolf at the State Department, too, he's isolated from the mainstreams of Muslim America as well, off in his mystical bubble so attractive to would-be "sufi" Americans.
That is a potential of about 12,500 terrorist cells if there are about 20 to a cell. Even if you assume that half with radical leanings would never act on them that still leaves a potential 6,250..feel better now?
There was a would-be wannabe "Palestinian mujahid" in Portland about twenty years ago named Fa'iz -- he hated me with a passion for knowing Islam better than he did -- an adventuresome lad who was fully under the scrutiny of the FBI wherever he went. Half the people with Green Cards are FBI informants, there's not much mystery about what people talk about "after hours."
Today, there are some armchair wannabe radical Wahhabi types, and some armchair wannabe radical Palestinian communists, and some armchair wannabe radical Khomeiniyyah varieties -- all talk, usually for the benefit of their American girlfriends and other radicals -- who are under much closer scrutiny than ever before, including by the eyes of eleven million American muslims who have never considered them anything other than an annoyance.
Where there's evidence, there are arrests.
The place to look for the dangerous madmen is not at America's mosques, they're not there. They're never there. Whatever "support" they might have from the wannabes, they get in apartments miles away from the mosques. The place to look for them is in the bars and discos, "blending in." And they're not out loudmouthing, either.
Muslims have a life, we don't need the television and Hollywood fantasies.
I've been tracking America's mosques and Islamic Centers for over thirty years, with demographic analyses and party affiliations, since back when there were only a few hundred. I'm sure the FBI's current information is much better than mine. I'd be surprised if, since rolling up the Egyptian network, there were more than a dozen mosques that actually have any connections with anything other than wannabe adventuresome young roosters, crowing. And I'm even more sure that the FBI is on top of that.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
90 Posted on 10/02/2001 19:12:50 PDT by ankaboot
Talk to our "free press" about that. Muslims aren't suppressing the news. We're not out there shouting to bomb the innocent, either, and won't be. "Low profile" is not quite the same as "low."
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
91 Posted on 10/02/2001 19:18:25 PDT by ankaboot
92 Posted on 10/02/2001 19:40:49 PDT by Whilom
Many thanks to the more than 600 peace-loving American Muslims who have sent me hate mail
How does he even know they're Americans? Because they can communicate in English?
93 Posted on 10/02/2001 19:45:15 PDT by xm177e2
They are here, they enjoy the fruits of our imperfect system, and are able to quote our own laws and principles back to us even as they are busy undermining and destroying...
Yep. And this demonstrates that they are liars, hypocrites. And, if they refuse to hand over any other terrorists (that they know of, here), then they are with the terrorists.
FWIW.
94 Posted on 10/02/2001 19:58:25 PDT by Capitalist Eric
Disinformation is what is aimed at a force capable of action, to misdirect their action, not at a bunch of jingoistic yammerheads who can't do anything but talk to themselves. I'm not going to persuade the "My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts" folks of the beer and bacon crowd, or the Perrier and pizza crowd, or the vermouth and Victory-Bonds crowd, and I don't think the Pentagon is looking to Free Republic for intelligence or their marching orders. So what's my aim if that's my game?
[Hint: it might have to do with keeping America's hands and streets clean of any more innocent blood ...]
The trails all lead back to bin Loadin' and his worldwide terrorist network of small murderous cells enlisting Morrocans, Algerians, Egyptians, Faghanis, Suadis, Palestinians, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Indonesians, and to a lesser degree Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians.
Hey, that's great, genius, let's see some of this evidence you're so certain about. "Suspect" has a slightly different connotation, if you know what evidence is. I think I trust my sources more than yours, I'm not sitting on mine.
All are part of bin Loadin' terrorist empire of bloodlust; the evidence is growing massive from German, French, British and Spanish law enforcement and Intel divisions.
Other voices have joined the "suspect" chorus. Noisy is not evidence. A James Bondian television "Dr. No" scenario is not evidence.
Osama bin Laden is the sheik of terror and is proud of that fact. Denying it is silly at this juncture with all the massive evidence thus far amassed.
He certainly seems to be, I don't see anything that suggests he's anything other than as you describe, but the evidence -- for the embassies in Africa, for the U.S.S. Cole, and for the Tuesday Terror -- simply is not there. That doesn't make him Mr. Nice Guy, and it doesn't make him other than "the sheikh of terror" as he certainly seems to be being promoted, but it doesn't make him the "mastermind" behind the terror war, either. His so-called "fatwa" -- and it certainly looks like it's his and possibly Iraq's -- doesn't make him the architect of the Tuesday attacks, someone passing through Afghanistan between 1992 and 1995 doesn't make him the architect of the Tuesday attacks, and we could go through the whole list -- and there's still no evidence that he was behind the Tuesday attacks.
Meanwhile, there's evidence that others were. And I imagine they're getting more nervous as the days go by and we haven't attacked Bin Laden. Nervous people, even nervous kings and presidents and prime ministers, make mistakes.
George turns out not to be so nervous as they had expected. Looks like he might be actually waiting for evidence. I'm told it's starting to emerge. Looks like American forces are in place. Maybe I'll call and have cable television hooked up.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
95 Posted on 10/02/2001 20:08:41 PDT by ankaboot
Won't happen, unfortunately.
They may be here legally. They may even be citizens.
But they'll never be AMERICANS.
FReegards,
96 Posted on 10/02/2001 20:10:26 PDT by Capitalist Eric
I guess muslims "having a life" includes topless bars and drinking, some pious, keeping themselves clean for Allah example they set for others.
Your statement smacks of accusing American's of not having a life, but we do, we are work horses providing not only for our own families, but providing for others, strangers, who can't or won't provide for their families. It is reported that Atta tried to buy a crop duster with a government loan, a loan that American citizens are not eligible for because these loans are to get new arrivals on their feet to buy gas stations, and convience stores, and have a better life for themselves and their children. Everyone is welcome into the American family.
So you compare and tell me, who serves God better, who puts their money where their mouth is? Who has God been so pleased with that he has poured and heaped blessings on them that overflows to other nations? what nation of people has He blessed? What nation is a beacon of freedom who's shores the entire earth tries to attain? Sure we are not perfect, neither are you, who is? The difference is we know it and admit it, and realize that sinful man can never be perfect. Only one has been perfect, the one to whom we say, Lord, Lord. Jesus Christ who takes away the sins of the world.
97 Posted on 10/02/2001 20:36:23 PDT by MissAmericanPie
You still seem to be on the wierd side of the looking glass, American Pie, I'm an American. I don't know who you imagine you're talking to, but America's enemies are not "the muslims." Some of America's enemies imagine that they're muslims, and some muslims imagine that America is their enemy -- but most muslims would like to be Americans (or like us), and quite a few are Americans, including millions who were born Americans like myself.
Before you go off in a huff, try reading some of what I've written here in these Threads in the last two weeks:
Waiting for the Antichrist
Islam the Straight Path to God
Guide to Events
Message from the Muslim Community
A Political Process for Muslim America
"What I expect from American Muslims"
"Here may be our problem with Islam"
Position of US National Muslim Organizations
Taliban Leader summons religious scholars
US Rejects Afghan Clerics' Ruling
FBI Obtains Terrorist E-Mails
Farrakhan Warns of Armageddon
A Principled Opponent
A Serious Islam Question
Text of Fatwa by Bin Laden -- False and Void
"Smoking them out" is not new
China's Role in Osama Bin Laden's "Holy War"
A Moment For Truth
Mr. Sharon's obduracy endangers Israel
Islam 610 AD - Present: The Endless Jihad
One nation, under Islam
five-page handwritten document found
Taliban asks bin Laden to leave country
Delusions Of Grandeur
The Sanitation of Islam
Confusion over FBI's hijacker list
The plight of Muslims
"Extreme" CAIR?
ODIGO Says Workers Warned
Far Gone In 30 Seconds
Arab Ministers Denounce Attacks
What Muslim Would Write: 'The time of fun ...
Are There Any Muslim Freepers?
Adam Our Father
Civilization Envy
Saudi Friends Saudi Foes
Scribes of the new racism
The Muslim Vote
Avenging the flying pigs
Afghanistan and the world await US response
... and see whether you can figure out whether you or I have deeper roots in this country (as if it matters, apparently it does to some people).
And I'm a muslim. Last time I checked, I didn't have a barbed tail, cloven hooves, and horns growing out of my forehead, two heads, or the ability to breathe fire. Let's see ...
... nope, still walkin' talkin' stinkin' clay, just like all my neighbors.
Sheesh, girl, you're way overboard.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
98 Posted on 10/03/2001 00:24:42 PDT by ankaboot
Bluntly, go PHUQUE yourself, you self indulgent little twerp.
And quit the BS lies, no one believes you.
prambo
99 Posted on 10/03/2001 05:49:28 PDT by prambo
Your slam about it mattering to some people that they have a history in this nation, is too bad, it does matter, your in pretty sorry shape if it doesn't matter to you. Do you really trust the government to pass on to new arrivals the importance of what keeps a nation free? The democrats first sales pitch to the majority was for a large American family of many nations and tongues, then they make it their life's work to drive a wedge between races and cultures and play one off against the other, Balkanizing the USofA while stripping more freedoms from everyone. And who do they seek to drive the wedge between? Those that know a few things about how awful and costly the fight for freedom can be, and newbies they intend to keep ignorant about the foundations of their freedom.
It matters to me that it seems a large number of people buy into this. No common ground is held out to them, I think it is a sacred trust to pass on a common ground. It doesn't matter who has what culture, as long as part of that culture is the common knowledge passed on, warning of the need to guard the foundations and principles we are built on. America was not built on the premmise that the Fed is your Sugar Daddy. The government is to be held in healthy watchfulness to insure the rules are not changed.
If a person cannot flee to the freedoms of America where are they going to go? If America changed in say five years to a totalitarian government, where would you or anyone else flee to? I want that protected and I see it in danger from corrupt politicans. Rather than acknowledging the common ground found by previous generations, pre-massive immigration, they promote cultural diversity as though an exchange of this information between cultures is some kind of bastardization to be avoided. That is my complaint.
"Muslims have a life, we dont need the television and hollywood fantasies"?? hmmm does this mean you hold those that do need television and hollywood fantasies as beneath you, are they fools and infidels? What happens to infidels in the Quaran?
I am very sure many Muslims would like to be Americans, the problem seems to lie in their determination to be the ONLY Americans, by whatever means, just like their attitude about Israel. This seems to be the same goal in every country that gives place this religion. The second a foot hold is gained the persecution and oppression begins of all objectors. Islam is not compatable with a free society and all false reassurances to the contrary falls on my deaf ears, after all, it's ok to lie to an infidel, and there is only one culture and religion allowed by your religion, with no respect for others beliefs.
Personally, I have been flim flammed into too many sets of tupperware to buy an obvious con. Observing the garden paradise of the Middle East is enough to give any warm blooded creature the chills. Varying degrees of oppression from bad to horrific is not my idea of a society bearing good fruit, or one that should be promoted through jihad.
I have picked through a few of your links, I see alot of placating, but havn't run across any heartfelt outrage yet. I'll keep looking.
100 Posted on 10/03/2001 12:54:58 PDT by MissAmericanPie
LOL! Well it's clear where your mind floats. The growth of Islam in America since 1970 is nothing less than miraculous -- from near-invisibility to turning the Presidential election in thirty years, that's not trivial pursuits. It's been an amazing thing to watch. It's been even more fun watching the Israeli Lobby lose an election after they've bought their usual slates of candidates.
And don't bother trying to contradict that, the names and dollar amounts are here and here and here. Go see whether your Congressman has three Israeli Lobby "aides" working in his office in return for his campaign funding from a flock of PACs.
... they make it their life's work to drive a wedge between races and cultures and play one off against the other, Balkanizing the USofA while stripping more freedoms from everyone.
Well, you seem to be advancing that agenda admirably, at least toward Arabs and muslims. Must give you a profound sense of accomplishment to make others hate the strangers living down the street.
"Muslims have a life, we don't need the television and hollywood fantasies"?? hmmm does this mean you hold those that do need television and hollywood fantasies as beneath you, are they fools and infidels?
No, they're teenagers and young adults who haven't been given their heritage of American values, but what passes for "public education" and television, instead. My children are from eight to twenty-five, they tell me what their friends go through trying to find their way. Some actually look forward to marriage and a family and a career, but far too many are living television soap opera fantasies and looking for the ninety-minute adventure they grew up on.
Like the rest of your post -- pure ignorance, television Arabs and all the rest. No knowledge of the origins of your own heritage -- federal, constitutional, democratic republicanism, all the sciences, everything that you enjoy -- or where any of it came from. A huge gap in your view of history, an empty space a thousand years wide that you call "The Dark Ages" while everything you rely on today was being developed outside Catholic Europe. Sadly, you must have been educated in the same public schools I attended before I figured out that nothing was being taught.
I'll keep looking.
Won't find much with your eyes so tightly shut.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
101 Posted on 10/04/2001 00:50:36 PDT by ankaboot
As for congress, and your influence there, there are more tarts for sale housed in the capital building than all the brothels in France. But scum as they are, they get a little twitchy when someone almost gives them a 747 suppository, they may be rethinking their priorities, have to wait and see on that.
There are no gaps in the knowledge of my history, yours wouldn't be the first group to want to take credit for everything America has accomplished, as though somehow we stole it from from the rightful owners. If America owes all that it is to Islam, why is the Middle East still in the Dark Ages? Why isn't everyone scrambling to be let into Iraq, Kuwait, Lybia, Iran? Could it be that Islam is a oppressive, repressive, lifestyle that is right there to "chastise" anyone that stands out and dares to be different or act upon their God given right to be a freewill individual? The spirit of jealousy that says "I've been robbed" has been around since Cain, Esau, and Ismael, personally I try never to indulge it.
102 Posted on 10/04/2001 07:40:14 PDT by MissAmericanPie
What a ghastly thought, to be "in charge" of others. Seven children is more than enough responsibility for people incapable of governing themselves. My impression has been that Americans do a pretty good job of being "in charge" of themselves, although I think we could do a little bit better job of being "in charge" of our government officials.
There are no gaps in the knowledge of my history,
Big enough to drive a semi truck through. Watch:
... yours wouldn't be the first group to want to take credit for everything America has accomplished, as though somehow we stole it from from the rightful owners.
Algebra is an Arabic word, it comes from al-Jibr, who is regarded in American textbooks as the father of chemistry and the father of algebra, as I recall (possibly incorrectly). Ibn Khaldun is regarded in western university textbooks as the father of history. Alcohol and almanac are Arabic words. Surveying was developed to satisfy Islamic laws on inheritance and estate division. Astral navigation was developed to determine the proper direction to face in prayer and the proper times for making those five-times-daily prayers. Modern pharmacy used Ibn Sina's (Avicenna's) monumental work on pharmaceutical sciences for eight hundred years as the fundamental textbook in all medical schools. The list goes on for miles. It takes nothing away from more recent innovators and scientists to see the foundations of what they improved upon. To think that in order for Americans to claim credit for space flight means that Americans had to develop rockets, nozzles, calculus, and all the rest is the height of ignorance, we've made it all work for that purpose and that is sufficient accomplishment for anyone -- or should be.
If America owes all that it is to Islam, why is the Middle East still in the Dark Ages?
And this is the corker, it really shows the gap. There was never a "Dark Ages" anywhere but in Catholic Europe. While Europe was in the Dark Ages, the rest of the world was ablaze with scientific and cultural development -- all over the Holy Land and for a thousand miles in all directions except in the Europe of the popes and peons. The terminal collapse of the millennial muslim world came after Europe's Dark Ages had already started into the modern age.
Back to the drawing board, I think. There may not be any gaps in your knowledge of your history, but history goes back more than sixteen years.
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
103 Posted on 10/04/2001 23:07:10 PDT by ankaboot
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