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1 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:31:08 PDT by Samir
2 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:32:53 PDT by Samir
I'm sorry, but this attack is the last straw. I am sickened, SICKENED by this. Yeah, "loose lips sink ships" -- you can say THAT again....
3 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:38:33 PDT by Justin Raimondo
4 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:43:04 PDT by JesusIsLord
And under the right circumstances, it's a great way to start a "hot" social and civil war too.
5 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:45:05 PDT by Publius6961
That's the whole point.
PC in defining crimes is a such a waste of time, and the unintended consequences are worse than the problem being addressed.
6 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:46:36 PDT by Publius6961
What are you threatening?
7 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:47:31 PDT by Samir
I have a problem with this man being made a poster child for the "oppressed" arabs..sorry..
8 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:50:33 PDT by RnMomof7
9 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:53:08 PDT by dighton
10 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:53:57 PDT by Poincare
why doesn't someone just ask her?
dep
11 Posted on 10/04/2001 09:58:49 PDT by dep
I don't see how it makes a difference whether it was a robbery or they shot him because he's an Arab.....everyone responsible should be locked up forever or executed either way. Hate crime laws are pointless symbolism. They won't do anything to deter crimes that regular laws do...and our "regular" laws should have the harshest penalties for murdering, attacking, or harassing anyone, regardless of the reason behind it.
12 Posted on 10/04/2001 10:02:51 PDT by John H K
I have no animosity towards peaceful muslims, and hope these perpetrators are found and sentenced to death, but the Yemeni Consulate involvement is hypocrisy in its highest form.
13 Posted on 10/04/2001 10:03:28 PDT by browardchad
And the 6.000+ that died in NYC were just a bunch of pikers? ALL murders are hate crimes, regardless of who the victims are. It's wrong that this man was murdered, but to be more outraged by this one killing than by the killing of many thousand innocent people shows a real lack of proportion on your part. You are either dense, or a liberal.
14 Posted on 10/04/2001 10:03:43 PDT by Major Matt Mason
15 Posted on 10/04/2001 10:12:13 PDT by CathyRyan
However, the gist of what you've written in antiwar.com since 9/11 has been that an arrogant imperialistic America got what was coming to her. You have focused like a laser beam with righteous outrage on incidents of harassment of foreigners, identifying so strongly with the Muslim community that you felt you looked Middle Eastern, even describing in detail perceived hostile looks from a blond woman (obviously one of those perfidious WASPs). No putting the incidents of harassment in context (99% of Middle Eastern-looking persons here I dare say have not experienced so much as a sideways glance). No outrage over the murder of 6,000 mostly American citizens by illegal aliens. Just expressions of admiration for the little guys who brought down the giant.
I used to think you had something to say in decrying our tendency to play world policeman, but you've gone way off the anti-American deep end in writing about events related to 9/11.
16 Posted on 10/04/2001 10:23:07 PDT by uscit
.................
I couldn't agree with you more about the nonsense that "hate crimes" represent -- I mean, isn't a person's thought life (no matter how repellent) the LAST refuge that a state should invade? Look at how the Left on campus will immediately trot PC offenders into "sensitivity training" to be harangued by the victim group they have offended.
About racist neanderthals on Free Republic -- you hit the nail on the head. I've been fighting this dreck too for 6 weeks now. While I see modest improvement in the tone of Middle Eastern threads from late August, when I first started raising hell about FR posts about Palestinian suicide bombers, the sordid truth is that Free Republic unfortunately remains a sounding board for anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian "skinheads with keyboards" (SKWIKEYS).
I have been horrified at the level of open race hate on these threads -- for example, open calls (supported by "attaboy" posters) for selectively murdering reproductive-age relatives of suicide bombers. Not to mention -- let's see-- nuking, firebombing and napalming Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. I've had several FReepers e-mail me about how they find many Middle Eastern threads on Free Repbulic to be "really scary."
I've objected vehemently to these skinheads. Unfortunately, the moment you convey a sympathetic ear to the plight of the Palestinians -- OR if you object to their extermination by whatever lurid means the FReeper can summon up -- you're attacked as anti-Semitic, a "Pallie"- or "Musli"-lover ... and so on.
The posts of several of them are so extreme that they could only have been written by in-your-face sociopathic thrill killers who would kill Palestinians and Arabs in a heartbeat if they ever had the chance.
I've suggested that FReepers sickened by these threads set up their own watch lists and alert the FBI and other government agencies to open calls for murder. In my view, some of the more appalling FR posters deserve full-time FBI attention.
I had one journalist tell me that she finds Free Republic to be a good barometer of "hate" in the conservative political community. Her magazine has received repeated death threats from FReepers. Frankly, until I ran across the late-August Middle Eastern threads in question, I had no idea these people -- who sound like bottom-crawling Klannies from the 1930s -- even EXISTED any more.
Unfortunately they do -- and what bothers me is that Free Republic in some respectsd is attracting sociopathic posters and creating a "sociopathic consensus" in which posters can openly advocate killing, expelling or extermninating "Pallies" or "PalPots -- or whatever FReeper race argot in fashion -- and can do so WITHOUT being confronted by other FReepers. That's actually what prompted me to erupt two months ago -- the fact that nobody on the threads seemed to be bothered by this in-your-face-and-up-yours race hate.
17 Posted on 10/04/2001 10:47:36 PDT by jauntybeesting
18 Posted on 10/04/2001 12:15:18 PDT by Samir
19 Posted on 10/04/2001 12:19:06 PDT by Samir
What about the persecution and ultimate executions of Christians in other countries. Is that not a hate crime? I do not feel we should lower our standards or morals to these countries, but we must be aware that at least we live in a Christian nation where these crimes are not tolerated. "Love thy neighbor as thy ownself" is something all Americans should be remembering right now.
20 Posted on 10/04/2001 12:27:56 PDT by 30-06 Springfield
21 Posted on 10/04/2001 12:35:48 PDT by Justin Raimondo
How convenient - now you can focus YOUR hatred.
22 Posted on 10/04/2001 12:38:23 PDT by skeeter
Wrong. The truth seeps through even CNN from time to time. The large majority of cases involves non-whites attacking arabs and in the case of the Christian Sudanese "perceived" moslims.
The know-nothing PC crowd just assumes that hate crimes are all done by white males.
23 Posted on 10/04/2001 13:22:09 PDT by Poincare
24 Posted on 10/04/2001 13:42:26 PDT by Samir
Sir,
I have no hatred towards anyone.
25 Posted on 10/04/2001 13:44:09 PDT by Samir
Are these the ONLY crimes against arabs committed? How many other non-arabic murders were there during this period?
While any violent act against innocents is deplorable, your angry focus on white males is indeed revealing.
26 Posted on 10/04/2001 14:27:16 PDT by skeeter
27 Posted on 10/04/2001 14:49:00 PDT by Samir
You should have simply corrected him and left it at that.
But then you went overboard & claimed the "thousands" of hate crimes committed against arab-americans in the past three weeks were "overwhelmingly" committed by whites. By "overwhelmingly" I assume you mean disproportionally.
There's no way you or I or anyone could know the ethnicities of these offenders.
28 Posted on 10/04/2001 15:15:07 PDT by skeeter
While I feel awful for this poor hard working man here 35 years, a citizen, just trying to live his life and love his family, I wish the Muslim community would step up to the plate and do some serious PR work to allay the fears surrounding them. We don't need anymore tragedy of any kind right now.
29 Posted on 10/04/2001 16:01:17 PDT by MissAmericanPie
Thank you. An interesting Thread, I've read as far as #29 from MissAmericanPie.
I find the posts decrying the misdirected hatred more representative of what I had come to expect of Free Republic.
I believe this was a backlash murder.
Of course, it's not terrorism.
Americans don't engage in terrorism, and muslims, by popular definition, cannot be victims of terrorism because we're the perpetrators of it. Never mind that fifteen million American citizens are a bit more reluctant to go out in public, many more American citizens are now reluctant to fly or ride a Greyhound bus and what terrorizes the majority is terrorism, what terrorizes a minority -- particular this minority -- is just what we have coming.
That's the sense of what I've been reading at Free Republic for the last month.
It is not remotely -- in any sense -- what I and the muslims I know personally have experienced from our neighbors. This opportunistic thrill murder in California -- a great bastion of racism, I know, I was raised there -- is just as representative of the American people as the Towers Terror is representative of the muslims of the world -- not at all.
Not in any sense whatever.
But these Threads are not infested with skinheads.
"In the region many columnists and editorial writers are talking about a 'campaign against the Muslim community' ... as if it were somehow sanctioned by the authorities," Melhem said. "Some of the writings report harassment on a massive scale."
There has been a campaign against the muslims in America for a long time. It is not "sanctioned" by the authorities, it has been directed largely at "the authorities." The minds of Americans have been poisoned by a campaign of demonization that reaches into every information media: public school curriculae, entertainment, news reporting, governmental policy formulation, legislation, rumor mill gossip -- everywhere. These are not "skinheads," they are otherwise respectable people with jobs, families, social standing, and certain special interests with which their neighbors sometimes sympathize. Especially in the first few hours after something like the Murrah Building bombing in Oklahoma City, until the real perpetrators are identified.
I saw in a Thread here at Free Republic that McVeigh "may have been linked to Osama bin Laden." The demonization never stops, it never gives up, reality gets turned inside out to promote it.
They work on newspapers' advertising departments, threatening the withdrawal of advertising in retaliation for "biased" reporting -- that is, reporting that does not include their bias. They work on politicians with "early" campaign contributions and "soft" money. They work on police agencies with "citizen information" and "tips." They work on libraries by theft of donated subscriptions and library materials on Islam and muslims and particularly Palestine. It is a campaign, it is organized, it is directed, and it is well-funded and continual. It is here at Free Republic in what I call the Anti-Islam Brigades, and they are not skinheads, they are our neighbors. And they're scared stiff.
We have to get past the propaganda and get at the facts and the underlying realities. Despising the despicable is not the answer. Finding out the truth is the answer, and that takes effort and interest in getting at it. And it takes a renunciation of and resistance to anger -- anger and good judgment do not go together, there is no "peaceful coexistence" of that variety. Those infested with hatred for others on some ethnic or similar basis are to be pitied, not hated, anger is their burden, it burns their hearts.
Americans are finding out the truth. All over the country. The terror war has failed its first intention, which was to pit us against each other, and it has failed its second intention, which was to provoke our government into a precipitous attack on people innocent of the terror. It succeeded in terrorizing those who hate, those who have waged this campaign to demonize others.
Another martyr -- from my perspective, that's good news for him and he will be praying for his family, he's merely gone ahead of them. Another one killed for no other reason than that he was muslim. I can't buy that, I can't earn that, I can't desire that, all I can do is envy him. And I do. I'm still here, the target of organized campaigns to demonize me and stir up hatred against me because I am muslim.
Isn't that curious, that there is such a concerted effort to make Americans turn in every direction but toward the muslims to find out about Islam?
But it's backfired -- Americans want to know. And thousands upon thousands if not millions are finding out for themselves.
That's the American way.
Not thrill-seeking teenagers out for a romp to kill an Ay-rab just for the hell of it.
the Muslim community has scared everyone as to their intentions here ... it indicates in some peoples minds a silent support and agreement with terrorist organizations and their actions, especially the ones on 9-11.
It would be interesting to know whether they'd been reading Travis McGee and MissAmericanPie at Free Republic.
Who are the real terrorists here?
was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.
30 Posted on 10/05/2001 01:01:02 PDT by ankaboot
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