by Anthony France

20 September, 2001

Radical Muslims in London have called for a holy war against America and Britain if Afghanistan is bombed for not handing over prime terrorist suspect Osama bin Laden. A call to "prepare the bodybags" came during a highly-charged public meeting organised by the Al-Muhajiroun group which aims to overthrow Western society and create a worldwide Islamic state. Only hours earlier the Home Secretary warned the group's leader, Omar Bakri Mohammed, that his outbursts are being monitored and that he faces prosecution for incitement of racial hatred "the moment the mark has been completely overstepped".

He did not attend last night even though he was billed to be there. His deputy Abu Aziz told young Muslims at the meeting in Whitechapel: "Any attack on Islam will lead to World War Three. You have to choose if you side with Islam, America, or sit in the middle as a hypocrite. And there's nothing worse than a hypocrite.

"America can kill Muslims but they can't kill Islam. If they attack Afghanistan, they'll have to prepare the bodybags."

"They say that they found a passport belonging to one of the hijackers who died when the 767 crashed into the World Trade Center?"

"We all saw the television pictures. There were thousands of gallons of fuel on board - everything was blown to smithereens. Do they think we are fools? What was he supposed to have done, thrown his passport out of the cockpit before the impact?"

That comment brought chuckles, as did another about the hijackers' white car found by US police at Boston Airport - where two of the hijacked planes flew from.

"In a white car, the Americans say they found documentation and flight training manuals in Arabic. Why Arabic? They spoke perfectly good English. Next they will say they even found a picture of Bin Laden in the back of the car." Aziz called Pakistan's president General Pervez Musharraf - a man on whom the organisation have already issued a fatwa because of his support for America - a "puppet".

"He has chosen America over Islam and will pay for that when he meets Allah," Aziz said. He called on the group's followers to call relatives in Pakistan and stir up a military coup and warn loved ones that nuclear missiles might be on the way.

Yesterday Home Secretary David Blunkett confirmed that the police, security services and the Home Office are monitoring Bakri Mohammed, who is entitled to remain in Britain, although his claim for asylum in the Eighties failed.

Mr Blunkett accuses him of causing social division by deliberately provoking the Government into moving against him.

The Al-Muhajiroun meeting, postponed from last Wednesday, finally went ahead in a first floor room at the Jagonari Centre in Whitechapel Road.

Those there were mainly Muslims in their 20s, the men and women sitting on opposite sides of the room divided by a 5ft screen, so the men couldn't see the women.

I am trying to convince feel good Christians of this truth on another forum. Some choose not to hear ..

Just fyi for anyone interested in more info; there is an article called Militant Yemeni Group Claims Responsibility for Warship which gives a little background on the London-based Jihadists:

The document said the bombing was "not the first and not the last," he added.

Bakri said he knew of the group, although he did not know the people involved personally. He confirmed that Yemen is one of the countries to which he has sent British Muslim recruits for jihad [holy war] training abroad.

BUMP

It's also a source of amazement to me that the Brits have cotinued to import (as have we) people who despise them with no apparant attempts to screen them for motives, beliefs, political pursuasion, etc. Multi culti has gone way overboard IMHO.

How big do you think will be the BITE otta' the collective Brit A$$ when this jihad gets going....Think they will drop the Tower Bridge or the Tower of London...before the Brits say,

" Now, that will be ENOUGH OF THAT!!"

Radical Muslims in London have called for a holy war against America and Britain

Oh please. I beg you. Come to SW Virginia. Please.

"In a white car, the Americans say they found documentation and flight training manuals in Arabic. Why Arabic? They spoke perfectly good English. Next they will say they even found a picture of Bin Laden in the back of the car." Aziz called Pakistan's president General Pervez Musharraf - a man on whom the organisation have already issued a fatwa because of his support for America - a "puppet".

Actually, I believe they DID find a picture of OBL in one of their cars. Didn't they report that on the day of the attacks?

The Al-Muhajiroun meeting, postponed from last Wednesday, finally went ahead in a first floor room at the Jagonari Centre in Whitechapel Road.

So where is this, in GPS coordinates?

This is the same sweet natured British Moslem group that announced it would blow up every synagogue in England (and anywhere else it was able to) if anything happened to the mosques on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. This is the same outfit that republished BinLaden's fatwa, about two years ago, directing all devout Moslems to attack, kill and plunder Americans of every age, condition, and location.

I am trying to convince feel good Christians of this truth on another forum. Some choose not to hear

Which truth, mom? It was a long article.

I know this "isn't all Muslims" but why not have a mass arrest or assassination of this Al-Mahjaurood(or whatever the name is) as they are obviously a clear and present danger to the safety of British citizens?? Should we wait for them to actually carry out their DIRECT threats against the US and the West? I'm sorry, call me a statist tyrant, but these people should be in handcuffs or in a furnace right now.

I wonder if Cat Stevens was at the meeting

I can't understand why both England and America aren't getting rid of all illegals , especially those who are organizing a call for a Holy war on their Hosts.. Our entire congress are a bunch of self serving candy asses. They are so focused on votes they have sold their souls and ours. Pretty cheaply I might add.

It doesn't much matter how much we give,
The terrorists hate the fact that we live,
They come from a culture incurably sick,
It only makes sense that we send them home quick.

Perhaps it is time to get the deportation papers ready!!!!!

Are we to believe this is not going on here? Check that PBS video about Jihad in America, it talks about this a lot.

Why do we keep hearing from American Muslims how peace loving their religion is? I heard another one on talk radio today.

Oh please. I beg you. Come to SW Virginia. Please.

Is anyone else getting just a little sick of these slime balls calling for a holy war? On real battle fields, most of them couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. That's why they hide behind their women and children.

Radical Muslims in London have called for a holy war against America and Britain if Afghanistan is bombed for not handing over prime terrorist suspect Osama bin Laden

But we should act as if these moslems are good, peaceful people. Riiiight.

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Bakri Mohammed, who is entitled to remain in Britain

Why?

...hide behind women and children? That has always bothered me. What parent in his/her right mind would allow their children to engage armed soldiers? Then when one is hurt they're screaming and fainting all over the place. Makes no sense to me.

This is from their UK branch website.

And so it begins...

America can kill Muslims but they can't kill Islam.

Really??? We'll soon see about that...

Well yeah, kick um out of England! They don't belong there anyhow.

However, I know a few people from Pakistan, and they are absolutely wonderful. Great people! So, this thread dosen'd get it right.

Milestogo:!

Very impressive turnaround time on this info!! Thanks a bunch! Off we go...

All the best,

Maturin

Just ask the "feel good" Christians when they decided to call God a liar and become anti-Christ? Only one can be telling the truth, Jesus, or Muhammad, time to choose.

Oprah, "the christian" seemed so impressed that Muslims acknowledge Jesus, "as a prophet". How dare she think it's nice that they deny the divinity of Christ and reduce him to a mere prophet. Unbelieveable.

Even Dr. Laura is talking about how peaceful they are. She devoted her entire show yesterday (Thursday) to a discussion between a Muslim cleric over Islamic beliefs, and how the fanatics are not representing Islamic truths. I'm beginning to think that she, too, has the wool pulled over her eyes. God forbid, but it will take another attack in this country to finally shock people to the realization that in a time of war "multicultural" hugs will not get you anything but a box cutter in the back.

The guy calls for a Holy War and leaves his e-mail address? LOL! Hello, this is Scotland Yard calling...

The Prophet knew a guy who could actually read and write, since he did indeed dictate this amazing diatribe, but his Allah and the God of the Christians and Jews are not the same Dude. Make no mistake about it, Allah is a Hater and the Prince of Peace does not know him.

Jesus clearly says He is the ONLY WAY to God, the Messiah.
There is no real ALLAH, he is a lie from Hell to deceive people away from the true Lord....and in the hatred Islam breeds against Jews and Christians...Islam is a lie from Satan himself used to manipulate unbelievers in his personal war against God Almighty.

They are idiots and scum sucking dirt bags. If I have all the facts right, did you see where that woman had lost 5 sons to the fighting, and was happy about it? What kind of a mindset is that? An evil mindset, for sure.

Radical Muslims in London have called for a holy war against America and Britain ...

The word treason is sometimes used too broadly, but this seems a very clear case. Hang them.

Why do we keep hearing from American Muslims how peace loving their religion is? I heard another one on talk radio today.

You need to upgrade your speakers. What he said is that they are "peas-loving."

Muslims love split pea soup.

There is no real ALLAH, he is a lie from Hell to deceive people away from the true Lord....and in the hatred Islam breeds against Jews and Christians...Islam is a lie from Satan himself used to manipulate unbelievers in his personal war against God Almighty.

A true statement. If there ever was a movement spawned by Satan himself, it is this one.

I have been studying the Middle-Eastern culture for 18 years. I have read the Koran cover to cover many times.

The "Multi-culturists" say we have to "Understand" the moslem world. The funny part is that I know much more of thier culture then any of the leftist elitists. I have been to Egypt, Israel, and Saudi-Arabia. These left wing guys dont even know the FIRST thing about the culture of Islam, yet they want to lecture people like me.

The only normal country over there is Turkey... they have acheived seperation of Church(MOsque) and state and they are by far the most normal moslem country there is.

If you read the Koran, you will see that the original poster is right. By the Sharia(Islamic law.), if they had control of us, all "people of the book"(Jews and Christians.) would be subjected to the Religous tax and treated like second class citizens. Buddhists, new agers and the like would simply be executed.

So, we have US defending LEftists from people like that... we defend thier values while they(The leftists ) curse us for it.

Hell, I almost think that they would protest us SAVING thier lives!!! I am probably right on this. They are intellectual weaklings... leftists and fundamentalists alike.

I am going to register his hotmail address on some porn websites. He will get 72 mails a day about hot virgins waiting for him.

I believe you are right, Allah 'is' Satan & seeing how many Muslims there are in the world, I'd say Satan is doing pretty good.

Beats me most definitely, except that one must never forget that the form of mental illness we designate with the word "Liberalism" is most essentially based in the desire to be most fashionable above all things and that fashion is to appear virtuous at all costs and in no way behind the times in your new think makeover. If that includes importing every form of regrettable life so as not to fall behind the United States in the area of irremediable social problems and ghettos full of guests who hate your guts, why then so be it. That's the way the Liberal Britt thinks. He/she isn't all that different from the American variety of this life form after all. EXCEPT, that when the Brits get pissed, they don't look back, they stay that way, unlike some more recent arrivals to the good old USA.

Check their UK site.

It seems like the world has gone mad. The muslim world hates us and no one except people on this forum want to believe it. They have ears but cannot hear. What is it going to take?

I saw that video, it was an eye-opener. Every American should be required to watch it.

" Now, that will be ENOUGH OF THAT!!"

do you suppose the brits will again ask us for firearms to protect their homeland?

duh.

Muslims love split pea soup.

Funny, so do I, albeit with a hamhock thrown in.

I was worried for a minute

WOW. I can't believe that site is still up. I like their FATWA page (from THIS LINK you can see that Osama has many friends in England), whatever other "Muslims" do, these people are the precise opposite of religious, they are less moral than pigs!

They are permitted to run sites that still encourage people to kill Rushdie, that issue "Fatwas" to turn over governments? What do Dr. Laura's "moderates" have to say about that?

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What is it going to take?

A nuc.

Why are these people in our country? Why are these people in our country? Why are these people in our country?

This is truly a culture that has no reference point for westerners. I can't imagine losing one child much less five and then celebrating the fact!

Which truth, mom? It was a long article.

The one ststed by the poster:>))

The Prophet knew a guy who could actually read and write, since he did indeed dictate this amazing diatribe, but his Allah and the God of the Christians and Jews are not the same Dude. Make no mistake about it, Allah is a Hater and the Prince of Peace does not know him.

Sorry I missed you in my daily pings. Forgot to add to my list. That was not only and eye opener but also makes you uncomfortable. It shows us, they are not 10,000 miles away, but some where in our own community.

I can't imagine losing one child much less five and then celebrating the fact!

I will just come flat out and say it. That is an evil culture, when they do that.

BUMP!

Of course that is true, mom. Allah is a false god, who does not exist.

Now that we're at war - can't we just take these sympathizers (sp)- load'em up and send them to Afganini Land to support their cause? Bet you 2 to 1 they'll sing a different tune crawling among hot rocks dodging bullets and other ordinance.

Tony? Your move.

I am going to register his hotmail address on some porn websites.

LOL! Psy-Ops. Wonder if Hormel or Oscar Meyer (sp?) has a mailing list?

ROTFLOL! Don't forget the 28 boys and 14 camels :P

FATWAS( barf alert)

USA AT WAR WITH ISLAM

Demonstration: Tues 18th Sept 01 From 1 – 3pm, Pakistani Embassy 36 Lowndes Sq, London SW1

Talk: ‘USA You Will Pay’ Fri 21st Sept 01 From 7:30 – 10pm, Cultural Centre, Denmark Rd, London N8

Following Pervez Musharraf’s pledge to support the US-led alliance (and their threats of military action against so-called ‘Islamic Fundamentalists’ supposedly ‘harbouring’ Usama Bin Laden) Mullah Omar of the Taleban has responded by promising an all-out Jihad against those who would fight them including the enemies’ support and alliance (i.e. the Pakistani army). Cajoled by Western leaders into believing that the US are on a crusade of good against evil (aided by their media jingoism and exploitation of the victims cries for retribution) tragically the accusing finger has yet again been pointed at Islam and Muslims and war now seems inevitable.

Far from fighting terrorism, something which the US in fact actively supports through the Israelis and the IRA etc… the real motive for this imminent aggression is more credibly to ensure that the Taleban do not succeed to establish the Khilafah (i.e. an Islamic State where the law and order is Islam), to control the nuclear capability of Pakistan (currently on its list of Terrorist states) and to establish economic interests with China. Indeed if Terrorism is defined as ‘the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political ends’ [Collins Dictionary] than US foreign policy in Panama, in Iraq, in Palestine etc…etc… fits the description of the terrorists much more readily than those Muslims struggling to liberate Muslim land under occupation such as Chechnya and Kashmir! Unless of course Terrorism is just an excuse to justify exploitation and further hegemony (note the cases of Nelson Mandela and Yasser Arafat, both terrorists until the Western regimes’ interests shifted and they subsequently became known as freedom fighters!)

In the present case however it seems that the US-led alliance has miscalculated in their attempts to separate the Taleban from Pakistan. After all more than 80% of the ruling Taleban are of Pakistani origin themselves, having studied there, trained there and even having the scholars that they refer to there! In fact the support for the Taleban within Pakistan is nothing other than phenomenal!! One such supporter, Sufi Muhammad near the Afghan border pledged that the 100’s of thousands of fighters under him would fight the US if and when Afghanistan is attacked. Moreover well-trained Jihadi organisations such as Lashkari Tayebah and Harakat Muhammad have thousands of their own soldiers with the Taleban, cementing further the links between Pakistan and the Taleban. Not to forget that the Afghan Mujahideen have already survived the onslaught of two superpowers i.e. the British and the Soviet Union. The only plausible analysis must therefore be that the Taleban will not only survive the US-led alliance but Muslims throughout the Indian sub-continent will give the US-led forces a shock that will make the calamity of New York seem small in comparison.

The Taleban are Muslims working for the establishment of the Shari’ah and Muslims in the East and West therefore have an obligation to support them. As for those who have genuine differences with them, they must not commit the grave crime of supporting the US-led alliance, since the alliance are openly an enemy to Islam and Muslims. In the eventuality that the American forces launch attack against Taleban, the divine verdict already expounded by the Scholars of Islam is that the military and government buildings, the war machine and the soldiers of the alliance will all become legitimate targets for Muslims wherever they are in the world and they must be fought against. Further, if the Pakistani army or Massouds’ forces give support to this alliance of evil against the Taleban, then Muslims must fight them too since they will then be part of the enemy: Verily Allah (SWT) says clearly in the Qur’an: “O ye who believe! Take not for protectors/alliance your fathers and your brothers if they love disbelief above belief: if any of you do so they are part of them [EMQ 9:23] and “Do not ally with the unbelievers rather than believers.” [EMQ 4:139] and “Allah forbids upon you O believers to give the upper hand to the disbelievers.” [EMQ 4:141]

O Muslims, stand together and unite our Ummah to fight against the enemies of Allah (SWT) and his Messenger Muhammad in this time of need. The Book of Allah calls you, the Ummah cries for your help and Paradise awaits you. Verily, Allah (SWT) orders you in the Qur’an: “Go and fight, young or old and sacrifice your wealth and life in order to get paradise” [EMQ 9:41] and “Fight the Mushriks all together the way they fight you all together.” [EMQ 9:36]

O Muslims, do not stop your supplications against the foolish ventures of the likes of Bush and Musharraf, for they will of a surety fail and face a surprise at the hands of the Mujahideen. It is time that we made a clear and unambiguous distinction between haq and batil, between Imaan and Kufr, between oppressors and the oppressed, between the alliance of Shaytaan and that of Allah (SWT)…

After all more than 80% of the ruling Taleban are of Pakistani origin themselves, having studied there, trained there and even having the scholars that they refer to there!

A broken clock is right twice a day.

Genocide is beginning to sound very appealing to me....

Heads up!!!!

I just finished reading the Quran. Try as I might I just can't find the gentle Muhammed, Meek and Mild that the media keep telling us about

Islam and the Infidels

Chapter 1:

All non-Moslems are infidels. However, there are gradations. The people of the Book (meaning the Bible, both the old and the new testaments) are the Jews, the Christians and the Moslems. According to Islam, Mohammed was the last prophet and there would be no other future prophet or prophets.

The Jews and Christians are considered as people of little faith by the followers of Islam. On the other hand, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Jains, the Sikhs, the Zoroastrians, the Taoists, in fact, all other religions are considered as the religions of the kafirs. They are the worst of all and do not have the right to exist in this world unless of course they accept Islam unconditionally.

PEACEFUL and GENTLE!!!

Daniel 8
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. 26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle%5Feast/newsid%5F274000/274302.stm

Daniel saw the vision and was sick for days, and we're looking down the barrel of it!

Oprah, "the christian" seemed so impressed that Muslims acknowledge Jesus, "as a prophet". How dare she think it's nice that they deny the divinity of Christ and reduce him to a mere prophet. Unbelieveable.

She is no Christian.. She is a New Ager..pretty soon she will be singing "we are the one world religion" as her theme song !

I needed this laff.

60 something posts and no one asked for a source I am shocked...

Daniel saw the vision and was sick for days, and we're looking down the barrel of it!

The level of Spiritual blindness is amazing to me,but it shouldnt be..it is a fallen world..they see what they want to see!

Thanks for the link. It was an eye-opener!

I heard about 2 hours of the "moderate" Islamic scholar on the Dr. Laura show today. (Replay from Thursday's live show.) He sounded like a reasonable person, but he still couldn't quite bring himself to denounce OBL in clear and certain terms.

I almost laughed (except it isn't really funny) when he brought up the Inquisition to show that Christianity has also been twisted to evil ends. Muslims always like to bring up the Inquisition and the Crusades. How about looking at what went on in the 20th century and what's going on in the 21st century?

I guess I'm preaching to the choir here.

Do you know about this?

"Why do we keep hearing from American Muslims how peace loving their religion is? I heard another one on talk radio today."

Because deceiving infidels - that would be us - is a virtue in Islam. Believe nothing, and I mean nothing, they say.

I have been studying the Middle-Eastern culture for 18 years. I have read the Koran cover to cover many times.

I also have been studying Islam for the past 15 years, particularly the fundamentalist movements. It was clear to me back then that fundamentalist Islam and the West were on a collision course.

The values of the radical muslims are opposed to the values we cherish in the West. The conflict we are in will last many years.

We must win this struggle. The sanity of the world depends upon that. As long as we do not elect clueless people like Clinton as president, we will succeed in discrediting the fundamentalists and marginalizing them.

Turkey will be one of our key allies in this conflict. But I do not think most Americans appreciate the difficulties that lie ahead even with the horrors of 9/11 still fresh in their memories.

This is truly a culture that has no reference point for westerners. I can't imagine losing one child much less five and then celebrating the fact!

You would if you were subjected to an arranged marriage and forced to have sex whenever your "husband" demands it or risk being divorced and starving to death. Losing sons conceived by rape, fathered by a man who has done nothing but abuse you and treated you like dirt, and who themselves have treated you like dirt - because after all, you are still only a woman and therefore worthless - is probably a relief.

How long before the British stuff all these guys on a plane and ship them out of the country?

LOL, egad.

This guy is just another of the thousands of aberrations in Islam. True Muslims are peaceful, just, and kind. I think there are three of them.

One thing about the Britts, they dont pussyfoot around with terrorist, ask the IRA.

This guy is just another of the thousands of aberrations in Islam. True Muslims are peaceful, just, and kind. I think there are three of them.

One of the three just died from old age, down to two now.

Well, Maggie Thatcher sure didn't, but I'm not sure Tony Blair has the b*lls she has!

Then why is this site still up?

security services and the Home Office are monitoring Bakri Mohammed, who is entitled to remain in Britain, although his claim for asylum in the Eighties failed.

The fact that this clown is still walking the streets and hasn't been thrown in a cage or better yet strapped to a rocket and shot back to Allah is incredible.

The guy issued a fatwah for the death of Musharaff 2 weeks ago, he should have been arrested then.

FYI BUMP

A call to "prepare the bodybags" came during a highly-charged public meeting organised by the Al-Muhajiroun group which aims to overthrow Western society and create a worldwide Islamic state. Only hours earlier the Home Secretary warned the group's leader, Omar Bakri Mohammed, that his outbursts are being monitored and that he faces prosecution for incitement of racial hatred "the moment the mark has been completely overstepped".

One has to wonder when they consider that line overstepped? The comment to "prepare the bodybags" or that this group wants a worldwide Islamic state is not enough?

Glory(shaking head in disbelief!)

Then why is this site still up?

Do you even know what you are talking about ? I sure don't.

The guy calls for a Holy War and leaves his e-mail address? LOL! Hello, this is Scotland Yard calling...

Maybe Scotland Yard should contract out the solution to this problem to the Mossad.

Horsewhip 'em then kick their savage as$es back to whatever third world craphole they came from. Let's face it in this day if someone says they are going to harm you then you have to take it seriously. I remember seeing that interview with Bin Laden about a year ago on TV and he said he was going to attack America and I thought why are we letting this guy live? This is the USA we sent men to the moon over 30 years ago and we let this dirtbag do this to us? Its time to take no prisoners folks.

I almost laughed (except it isn't really funny) when he brought up the Inquisition to show that Christianity has also been twisted to evil ends. Muslims always like to bring up the Inquisition and the Crusades.

Sadly, he is completely misinterpreting history, because an Islamic Inquisition is exactly what is needed right now. An Inquisition is an internal reform to weed out heretics from within. If these Muslims claim that Islam is peaceful, and the terrorists are not "real Muslims," then they should establish an Islamic Inquisition, a put the heretical Muslims on trial. If they are excommunicated, then Islam is vindicated. The real problem is that there is apparently no one in Islam with the authority to hold an Inquisition, or to excommunicate a heretical Muslim.

How long before the British stuff all these guys on a plane and ship them out of the country?

Probably when we round up the radical muslims in our own country and ship them off. In other words, when pigs fly.

Sorry, I meant if the Brits "dont pussyfoot around with terrorists" (as you suggested) then I'm surprised they let these terrorists keep their Jihad site up.

I'm afraid you can call the Brits and the Americans the pussyfoot twins, so far... hopefully that will change soon.

Jesus did say...

"For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
Luke 21

If there ever was a movement spawned by Satan himself, it is this one.

Yes..and the irrational hatred and frantic self destructive instanity we see in these Islamic extremist movements are the best evidence we have of the Biblical predictions of Satan's anger rage and desperation in the end times, knowing he has little time left.

These people are pathetic..but their hopelessness makes them dangerous. We are in a war against pure evil.

Oprah, "the christian" seemed so impressed that Muslims acknowledge Jesus, "as a prophet". How dare she think it's nice that they deny the divinity of Christ and reduce him to a mere prophet. Unbelieveable.

Consider the source!

Honest to God, I don't know why the US and British governments don't just round up these terrorists calling for Jihad and shoot them.

Went to the website: I don't know why every western country from the U.S. to Britania to Russia to Japan don't keep these people out.

It's past the time for racial profiling!!!

Amen! Why are muslims so peaceful in some countries? Because they are in a small minority! If UK muslims rise up to terrorist acts, then they are quickly becoming larger political force. SEND THEM ALL HOME NOW!!!!!NO MORE PC FOR muslims!

it appears the new world order has found a new perpetrator to do their bidding, radical islam and their 'moderate' sympathizers.

If I have all the facts right, did you see where that woman had lost 5 sons to the fighting, and was happy about it? What kind of a mindset is that? An evil mindset, for sure.

When you have a culture that promotes polygamy even though it's clearly against God's will who made the ratio 1:1 women to men, the majority of boys have no purpose but to die in war, they will never marry or reproduce, even their own mothers share in the mindset that their purpose is to die for the culture.

Well, all the Brits need to do now is watch for these guys visiting the sex shops in the Soho district. That'll be a sure sign that they are ready to meet their Allah in some fiery end in London...welcome to the fight GB...LET'S ROLL

We are in a war against pure evil.

Yes we are.

Honest to God, I don't know why the US and British governments don't just round up these terrorists calling for Jihad and shoot them.

I don't either. I keep saying, these guys are not criminals, in the strict sense of the word. They are soldiers, combatants, making acts of war, while not wearing military uniforms. If they do not wear uniforms, they should be shot on sight, just as you say.

Yeah....funny how they say the majority of muslims are peaceful, and don't refer to the terrorists as islamic fundamentalists...etc...etc...yet NOT ONE of these people denounces them. They are all on the fence over there. I remember reading a story about during the Gulf war while U.S. commanders were at a base with Saudi top brass, the Saudi's cheered when Iraq launched scud missiles at Israel. They will cooporate just enough to not totally piss us off. But they will never be on our side.

the majority of boys have no purpose but to die in war, they will never marry or reproduce, even their own mothers share in the mindset that their purpose is to die for the culture.

Fitz, do you know who else fits into that category? The Chinese. With their one child policy, and with female babies being exterminated en masse, there will be far too many males, and not enough females to go around. The same principle could very well apply there too.

BTW, Barry Bonds just hit number 72.

Oprah is an idiot....but you probably already know that. Maybe I'm nuts but I can't see why this woman is on TV and gets paid what she does...I don't understand it..who actually watches her show? Is America that pathetic?

A Jehad of Hail Mary's to that.

Yeah and it doesn't help that Europe has been basically useless so far. If it weren't for the UK we would be on our own.

America can kill Muslims but they can't kill Islam.

They give the key!
I would like to remind all of how Alexander the Great handled these guys several centurys before Mohammed invented his war machine /religion. Alex and a dozen of his best and most trusted aides. They would charge throught the two fighting armies on horseback and attack the opposing king/generals who were leading opposition. Those guys would usually freak out and either run or die. Either way, voila! end of the war.

With this approach Alex the Great went through the middle east like a hot knife through butter. In ~ten years he controlled everything from Greece to where Afghanistan is now.

We need to consider the same thing when these guys start screaming about having 1 Billion Muslims. Remember, most of those guys realize at some level that they are really prisoners of the leaders, who are the Mullahs. So...
KILL THE MULLAHS
If these clowns start dropping I know you will see the majority of the people, at first screaming in anger, then when they realize they are no longer having some hateful mullah hanging over them, they will scream a whole lot less, then you will see the remaining mullahs running for the tall grass. Then we can put this phony religion on that scrapheap of forgotten lies Bush talked about. Just my prediction; Hey, it worked for Alex.

My husband will watch her, is that funny or what. I can't stand her but I don't have the heart to tell him. He just recently began tuning in because he likes to listen to that man that she has on all the time tell everyone what's wrong with them.

Hey, they get e-mail! Think we could, uh, "communicate" with them....I mean, from a computer at an anonymous location, of course......

"Why are these people in our country"
Those were exactly my words in '93 when I saw news footage of "the blind Muslim cleric" involved in the first WTC bombing being led out of his Jersey City apartment. Except I had the "F" word in there somewhere.

"London muslims call for HOLY War on HOSTS"

Wow....Maybe the whole Staring at the Sun, Host thing really freaked them out!!!

They escape (immigrate from) their rathole Muslim nation and end up biting the hand that feeds them. Muslim ingratitude in action. They infiltrate the liberal West and then start their mischief. The classic definition of a fifth column

British Muslim = termite

Watch out there Dallas....the islamic pc police are EVERYWHERE....like I care!!

For self-defense I think I will start carrying....

a vacuum packed bag of FAT BACK in my purse!!

DON'T leave home without your PIGGY IN A BAG!!!...I am packing...yes, I am!!

This is a self-bump. I have to admit it. I've never posted and received so much invaluable information as I did with this piece last night. Everyone should check out the anti-Muslim website in red below. They should also tell their friends what these hysterical, tribal people are really sitting on. After reading the samplings of the Koran on that site, check out the ravings of the London Loonies pasted in at length. A real honest to gosh eye-opener.

God I love Free Republic!!! Thanks again Jim, you're a hero who will love in history. No kidding.

All the best, Maturin

That is to say you will LIVE on in history.

And I meant to say look ABOVE at the Muslim site and information pasted in at length.

You know, I've been thinking that one of the many things America and Americans have always done well is that we keep our nerve and don't tend to blink in a standoff. (Witness the almost fifty-year standoff with the Soviet Union during the cold war. We faced down those murderous Bolscheviks and we won the Cold War, thanks to Ron Raegan, arguably the greatest American president of the twentieth century.

It's hilarious that the people we're up against now are probably the LEAST steady and cool opponents outside of sub-Saharan Africa. They are a hysterical, tribal and highly emotional people as one Brit journalist pointed out to sour looks from Dianne Sawyer during the Gulf War.

We haven't even DONE anything yet, and they're freaking out in public, here and in London and every other civilized Western country foolish enough to have taken them in as guests. Big things are afoot and these are indeed interesting times.

I only hope the cowardly, confused and irresolute left-wing elements that lost us the war in Vietnam go into the woodwork and stay there. We don't need them right now. And I also pray that our ancient warlike character comes back and we triumph, no matter how long the road or how great the sacrifice.

All the best,

Maturin

I'm trying to revive this thread because I think it's important and I need more information, especially about Muslims in the US and what they are or are not saying about all this. Anybody who has anything of that nature, I would greatly thank.

Maturin

Ping.

I just finished reading the Quran.

Man, I'm impressed. I've read a couple of histories of Islam and tried to read the Quran. I found it unreadable. Seemed to me to be it would be a good thesis topic for a psychology major.

I know this "isn't all Muslims" but why not have a mass arrest or assassination of this Al-Mahjaurood(or whatever the name is) as they are obviously a clear and present danger to the safety of British citizens?? Should we wait for them to actually carry out their DIRECT threats against the US and the West? I'm sorry, call me a statist tyrant, but these people should be in handcuffs or in a furnace right now.

I agree. Every country should throw out or imprison people who threaten death to the existing government. Death threats go far beyond free speech and should be treated as treason.

Radical Muslims in London have called for a holy war against America and Britain
if Afghanistan is bombed for not handing over prime terrorist suspect Osama bin Laden.

I watched the segment on Dateline NBC last night (Friday 10/5/01) which detailed
the converions of Zacharias Mousoussoui (I know I butchered the last name).

He is the fellow who the FBI took into custody in Minnesota when a fligh-school
instructor blew the whistle on Zacharias for just wanting lessons on how to fly
a jet liner in level flight...not any landings or take-offs.

The report detailed how he left his home in France (son of an Arab and a French citizen)
entranced by American culture...and then was converted into a radical Muslim while staying in
London.

I've tried to maintain an open mind to Islam...but it was too much to see surveillance tapes
of the leader of Zacharias' mosque in London spouting hate to the USA.
And how some of the leader's associates would cover their faces when approached
by TV cameras on the street (you only see this in the USA when someone is being
led into the courthouse!).

I've known many gentle, law-abiding Muslims in the academic community I work in.
But now, I think it's time to have a moritorium on immigration (travel even)
of anyone from predominantly Muslim countries...even Indonesia (which has given the
USA ZERO support in going after bin Laden).

It's "a time for choosing" and it's becoming increasingly clear who are friends are...
and who our enemies are.

Just my fallible opinion. Call me bigoted, if you desire.

bttt

Never mind the UK, we have wackos like this right here in the USA, have a look here:

United Muslims of America
P.O. Box 502
Bloomingdale, IL 60108
United States of America

Now, what is this racial profiling about!

Are we to believe this is not going on here? Check that PBS video about Jihad in America, it talks about this a lot.

This is the Hizb-ut-Tahrir, the radical extremist party I've mentioned in other Threads, who generally have managed to avoid criminal terrorist acts where they have disciplined parties. Governments all over the world jail them at the least excuse, so they're careful unless they want to draw attention to themselves as "oppressed because we preach true Islam" which they certainly don't, they've condemned the world and everyone in it but those who follow them. They scorn and curse all muslims who do not join their party and its hard line, and have marginalized themselves and alienated themselves from the muslims.

They have some branches in America. Their appeal is to the most disenfrachised and alienated of society, and they draw adventurers and the ignorant as well as the angry and dispossessed.

Under shari'ah law they would be annihilated for spreading contention leading to bloodshed. In most countries with majority muslim populations and nominally muslim governments, they are an outlawed party.

They are very useful for creating disinformation about Islam, they lend themselves well to the most extreme portrayals we see in the media. Their leader in London knows this well and manages to get a lot of press coverage with his extreme statements and empty "fatwa" tirades.

You could consider them as the unmannerly version of the radical Wahhabis with their Salifiyyah movement. Some people have impeccable manners when they want to.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

Dittoes to all you. My husband called it that London would suffer. Here's something to consider, however: the group that is taking the real hit on this is not the Muslims, it's US!

To explain: you see, we happen to believe that the Bible is the Word of God--and as such, is not open to "evolving" and being seen as a "living document."

That's why we keep hearing about "fundamentalist" Islam from the press/govt./commentators (yes, even Dr. Laura and Mike Savage). PRETTY SOON THEY'LL DROP THE "ISLAM" AND IT WILL BE FUNDAMENTALISM, PERIOD, THAT'S THE CULPRIT. Oliphant even did a cartoon carrying out this theme yesterday.

I heard "Imagine" by John Lennon played at one of those stupid candlelight vigils. Recall the part about no religion. This is a UN wet dream.

It's time now to say all we know about Islam and the satanic verses it reveres.

The real problem is that there is apparently no one in Islam with the authority to hold an Inquisition, or to excommunicate a heretical Muslim.

The Law as revealed required that those who falsified the tenets of the faith and governed and adjudicated that as "Islam" were to be killed. This is also the Law of the Torah, and the guilty were stoned and crucified: this is what the scribes and the pharisees attempted to do with Jesus.

The instruction was very succinct: "Who changes his religion, kill him." The Arabic word rendered as "change" clearly means "to modify" a thing -- in this case the Law -- and does not mean "to turn from." The hypocrites, when they took over the reins of empire, changed that instruction from "falsifying Islam" to "leaving Islam," setting up a death penalty for apostasy that has no basis whatever in the Law.

Baqri, essentially to gain media attention and radicalize and incite, has "issued" so-called "fatwas" that make his blood lawful -- that is, he has falsified the Law and under the Law would be killed for that. But as you say, there is no constituted authority that has jurisdiction over him other than the British, who monitor him closely but have for some reason left him alive. He would enjoy the same freedom to spread his poison in America, and some of his followers are in America doing exactly that. There is no way against them other than to repudiate them, which we do.

Which is not the Law I would like to see applied to those who falsify religion, but ...

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

Oprah is an idiot ... but you probably already know that. Maybe I'm nuts but I can't see why this woman is on TV and gets paid what she does ... I don't understand it ... who actually watches her show? Is America that pathetic?

Did Americans elect Bill Clinton twice? Have Americans ignored what our Congress has been financing overseas for fifty years? Is the goal of our public education to make our children feel good about themselves?

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

Never mind the UK, we have wackos like this right here in the USA, have a look here:

United Muslims of America
P.O. Box 502
Bloomingdale, IL 60108
United States of America

These are Shi'ah, the party of Persia. Their initiatory doctrines require dissimulation (misrepresenting what they believe) and allow suicide attacks on noncombatants. They are quite different from the Hizb-ut-Tahrir and are actually more invidious, if you can imagine that.

There are, however, millions of Shi'ah muslims who do not know the initiatory doctrines. What is necessary, as in all such cases including those involving no religious questions at all, is to take behavior and conduct and acts into consideration, not what we might imagine someone thinks. Sometimes words and speech can constitute acts that require law enforcement action, sometimes not, it's for cool heads to determine in each questionable case. That's why we have quite a few visitors to Free Republic trying hard to stir up hatred against muslims, and being allowed to continue to spew their racism and hate.

That is the law in America and, curiously enough, that is also the Law of Islam. A lot of muslims have forgotten that ... and it appears that a lot of Americans have, too.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

Allah is a false god? I thought satan and ALL his minions were false gods? Maybe allah is a familiar spirit. It would make sense. Could it be the abomination of abominations?? (or however it's worded)

This would be a good opportunity to deport these nice folks.

This would be a good opportunity to deport these nice folks.

Well said. It is not a punishment or an injustice to repatriate someone to their country of origin.

Let us "make nice". We will pay their airfare home.
What could be fairer than that?

the nwo supercedes 'parties' and has made a point of using the west to bolster the islam movement worldwide, so in retrospect (bosnia, croatia, chechnya, etc.), i guess it's becoming obvious how the end game against christians and jews comes to pass. immigration policies should have been our first clue.

I have to confess that in reading prophecies about the anti-Christ and all the references to him, that long before this all happened I wondered if the anti-Christ would be muslim. I am not in anyway saying that Ben Ladin is the anti-Christ so everyone relax. I am just saying that given the things revealed recently about the mind set, it confirms for me even more that he could be Muslim.

Atta's last will and testament asked that no woman be allowed to touch him or be present at his funeral, and if he must be washed, the women should wear gloves.

Muslims are saying that they are not a religion that condones terrorism, that terrorists have twisted Islam or in fact are not worshipping the same god. This jives with Daniel 11:36 "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate he shall worship the god of forces: and a god who his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold, and silver, and with percious stones, and pleasant things."

The method of execution meted out by the anti-Christ is beheading, rather archeic for this day and time, yet common in Muslim countries. All this makes me wonder if Islam is not going to have growing influence in the world, even in the USofA.

Stay tuned, as they say.

It's amazing those who think that all religions are created equal.

They've been "politically correct-ized" and cannot see the evil that lurks.

Pray. Pray hard. That's the first thing we can do. Everything else follows.

I thought satan and ALL his minions were false gods?

Well, they are false gods, but they do exist. Allah, on the other hand, does not exist at all. We do not know the names of any of Satan's minions.

England has a simple solution at hand. Arm the Sikhs and bring in a couple of battalions of Gurkhas for good measure. Case closed. They won't need body bags for the Jihadists, just a much a larger quantity of little sandwich bags. As a concession to humanity, the heads could be airdropped to the relatives in Pakistan, for decent Islamic burial.

Then all the vacant mosques can be handed over to the Hindus.

I guess it's becoming obvious how the end game against christians and jews comes to pass. immigration policies should have been our first clue.

Very interesting point. You may be on to something. Of course, you know they will have to take our guns away from us first.

"Oh please. I beg you. Come to SW Virginia. Please."

Yeh, Appy, Im up in here in NOVA. That PSS 700 .308 on the other side of the room is practically jumping off the wall...bring it on rag-heads, bring it on.......

Amen Brother.
The Koran claims Allah ahd no son. It also proclaims a curse on those who believe in the Trinity.

You know what that means.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7  ¶For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Michele

Jorge said --

There is no real ALLAH, he is a lie from Hell to deceive people away from the true Lord....and in the hatred Islam breeds against Jews and Christians...Islam is a lie from Satan himself used to manipulate unbelievers in his personal war against God Almighty.

  Mark17 said --

A true statement. If there ever was a movement spawned by Satan himself, it is this one.

There's no doubt about that. Islam is under the direct control of Satan for the purpose of eliminating Israel and persecuting Christians around the world. We clearly see how Satan has been working diligently through that evil religion of Islam doing that very thing.

I believe you are right, Allah 'is' Satan & seeing how many Muslims there are in the world, I'd say Satan is doing pretty good.

This is UNQUESTIONABLY SO. This is of prime importance -- to get this message out to ALL CHRISTIANS, that Islam is a deadly religion which is straight from Hell and whose head is Satan himself. There are too many ignorant Christians out there on this issue.

This is definitely a "Holy War" -- but it's not of the kind that the Islamics think they have. They have taken on the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and they will see their ultimate doom because of that. They are going down for the count. Unfortunately, whenever Satan is involved, there is also a lot of pain and suffering involved, too. Christians need to be prepared for that.

The end times battle has begun in earnest. And the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will prevail. Maranatha.

The muslim world hates us and no one except people on this forum want to believe it.

Well, there are plenty of Islamic apologists here, too. They are either a direct tool of Satan himself, or they are part of the moronically fooled crowd.

Round 'em up then & protect themselves from themselves.

I just finished reading the Quran. Try as I might I just can't find the gentle Muhammed, Meek and Mild that the media keep telling us about. He says that Allah "does not love them, the Unbelievers." And a lot of really cool advice about how to handle your wives and slave girls and others who are "under your right hand." This would include, I suppose, those you might happen to be hijacking at any given moment. It's a tribal religion that encourages base, tribal practices, and its essential tenets require the overthrow of all non-Muslim faiths as a matter of "duty on the part of the Believer."

The Prophet knew a guy who could actually read and write, since he did indeed dictate this amazing diatribe, but his Allah and the God of the Christians and Jews are not the same Dude.

Make no mistake about it, Allah is a Hater and the Prince of Peace does not know him.

I did the same thing myself. Chapters 5 and 9 and the back half of Chapter 2 is not a pretty picture.

These guys and the thugee (search on Kali and rumel) cults of India have a lot in common .... and will have the same ending as well.

I didn't check to see if this had been posted here, but if so, well..., here it is again. If not posted here already -- then this is a *definite read* for everyone. These Islamics are absolutely part of an evil religion and they are lying publicly (to the mainline media) that they are "peace loving". I think they mean "piece" loving -- because they want you in "pieces".

Look at this (link here)

 

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Q1) What is the fatwaa regarding those who assist or allow the US to carry out military action from Pakistan in order to attack Muslims in Afghanistan?

a) Firstly the reality is that there is no Muslim land today which constitutes an Islamic State. Many lands belong to Muslims and the people are Muslims but Kufr dominates the law and order in all Muslim countries.

b)The USA are at war with Muslims. They have committed various atrocities against the Muslim Ummah, ranging from killing, raping our honour and land, mass murders in Iraq, funding and assisting the establishment of Israel, violating the sanctity of Muslims in Iraq and controlling Muslim land, sea and air space. The US are not only targeting the military but also civil areas in the Muslim land of Iraq.

c) The Minimum response from the Muslims must be a complete boycott of all relations with the US but since there is no Dar-al-Islam today, it is no surprise that the current illegitimate rulers over Muslim land are not boycotting such relations. These countries have not even cut any diplomatic relations with the US. Islam dictates that all relations with the US must be cut completely and their people must not be allowed to enter Muslim NB. It is easy to boycott relations with the US and to stop the citizens of the US from entering Muslim land, however ashamedly the Muftis in Muslim lands, who believe in Allah and his Messenger Muhammad (saw), have allowed the US to come to Muslim land in order to kill Muslims. These Scholars have become dumb and deaf just as Allah (swt) describes them to us

d) If Muslims ally with the Kuffar, helping them by supplying them weapons or praising them, formulating or signing contracts for them or allowing them to assist in the military action of killing Muslims in any way, the Muslims so involved would become Murtad Harbi (i.e. Apostates) for Allah (swt) warns us against this crime He says: ìThe punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisementî [EMQ 5.33]. And a Murtad (i.e. Apostates) applied to him/her the followings:

1) He/She has no sanctity for his life and he must therefore be killed whether he asks for repentance or not.

2) Any marriage with a wife will become invalid, his children will no longer belong to him and all his blood relations must be cut.

3) His money becomes permissible, which will either go to the Bait-al-Maal (if we have a Khilafah) or it will be taken as booty by the Mujahideen. He will receive no inheritance nor will he pass any inheritance to others.

4) His body will not be buried with the Muslims.

5) He will be treated with animosity by all Muslims, just like a Kafir Harbi is treated. No Muslim sister will be allowed to marry him, and even people of the book will be stopped from marrying him. Anyone who gives his daughter to him will also become an apostate.

6) There is no distinction between a man or women with respect to this Hukm. Therefore we ask Muslims with the capability, especially the army of Muslim countries to move quickly and to capture those Apostates and criminals involved in these crimes, especially the ruler of Pakistan, King Fahd of Saudi Arabia and Rabbani of Afghanistan and his followers... .We call upon Muslims worldwide to support Muslims in Afghanistan, whoever cannot support them physically must do so, whosoever can support them financially must do so and whosoever can support them verbally must to do so according to his capacity. As Allah (SWT) commands us in the Quran: ìO you who believe! If you help the cause of Allah, He will help you and make firm your feetî [EMQ 47.7]

The US have a dream to take the Indian Subcontinent shared by her friends, namely India and Israel. It seeks to destroy the Islamic thoughts, feelings and emotions in the hearts and minds of the Muslims as well as to destroy the nuclear capability of the Muslims in Pakistan. The potential fate of Muslims against the US is better than Iraq, since the Islamic ideas and feelings are far stronger in Afghanistan and in Pakistan than in Iraq. However if Muslims all over the world, especially those from Pakistan, do not assist their brothers in Afghanistan, then their fate will be no different from the Muslims in Afghanistan. As for those people who hide the truth and conceal the Haq, Allah (swt) also warns us of them in the Quran: ìSurely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them too. Except those who repent and amend and make manifest the truth, these it is to whom I turn mercifully.î [EMQ 2:159-160]

We have indeed a responsibility to inform the Muslim Ummah of this Hukm, and let Allah (SWT) be our witness that we have indeed delivered the message.

Issued and Supported by Juristic Muslim scholars from Various countries such as:
Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Emirate, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and UK....

For further information call:

Dr Muhammad Al-Masseri (S.Arabia-UK) 07 973 226 470
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad (Syria-UK) 0795 6920006

 

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Islam is the religion of Satan.

well, one more (even more massive attack) and transportation of all types will be suspended due to the chaos and subsequent martial law. then, it's either go rural and be diluted or *try* to 'circle the wagons'. moving firearms around or traveling with them for safety will not be an option. don't underestimate the panic that will breakout when several wmds go off around america in a short period of time. we saw what a horrible, but still relatively small attack did to bring hysteria and *almost* economic paralyzation in short order. imagine when suitcase nukes go off around dams and nuclear installations. thank God Jesus lives and is whom He says He is. i'm not worried, just preparing everyone i know.

Let's just pretend that some group that was identified as "right-wing" or "fundamentalist Christian" made some public statement like "get the body bags ready"...not that they would, but let' just pretend.

How long would it be before one of the alphabet agencies had the whole bunch of them seared medium well? Before they were denounced by every elected official and before any group that had any contact with them had an IRS audit? One hour? Less?

Why, oh why, oh why, when Muslims make statements like that, do we spare them? I say give them the warm base metal salute...the full metal welcome...and throw any survivors the he77 out of America!

What is necessary, as in all such cases including those involving no religious questions at all, is to take behavior and conduct and acts into consideration, not what we might imagine someone thinks. Sometimes words and speech can constitute acts that require law enforcement action, sometimes not, it's for cool heads to determine in each questionable case. That's why we have quite a few visitors to Free Republic trying hard to stir up hatred against muslims, and being allowed to continue to spew their racism and hate.

From what we can see of the Satanic and totally sick religion of Islam (and we sure got eyes to see for ourselves in "black and white") -- you are a here trying to INTENTIONALLY MISLEAD all who read your comments. The more I read of Islam, the more sickening it is.

Islam is a Satanic and sick religion that doesn't deserve to see the light of day anywhere in the world. It's a false religion and the "Allah" of Islam is none other than Satan himself.

I seriously doubt you're so ignorant to not know that. That makes you a cohort of Satan, too.

I looked at that site--AMAZING display from pro-Khomeni Iranians.
Check out this quote from one of their twisted vomits printed at the site:
The leader pointed to the US president's use of the term Crusades for the recent events, and said if this remark was not intentional and purposeful, then the question rises, why does a senior official of a country be so unbridled in his choice of words?

Jihad is ok, but Crusade...now that's unbridled!

I just finished reading the Quran. Try as I might I just can't find the gentle Muhammed, Meek and Mild that the media keep telling us about. He says that Allah "does not love them, the Unbelievers." And a lot of really cool advice about how to handle your wives and slave girls and others who are "under your right hand." This would include, I suppose, those you might happen to be hijacking at any given moment. It's a tribal religion that encourages base, tribal practices, and its essential tenets require the overthrow of all non-Muslim faiths as a matter of "duty on the part of the Believer." The Prophet knew a guy who could actually read and write, since he did indeed dictate this amazing diatribe, but his Allah and the God of the Christians and Jews are not the same Dude. Make no mistake about it, Allah is a Hater and the Prince of Peace does not know him.

Two hours and you read the whole Koran? WOW? Did you read 1 Timothy in the Christian bible after that?

But as you say, there is no constituted authority that has jurisdiction over him other than the British, who monitor him closely but have for some reason left him alive. [...] There is no way against them other than to repudiate them, which we do.

Thank you for your reply, but with all due respect, it is far too late for simple repudiation. If Islam is a peaceful religion, then Muslims who advocate violence can and should be cut off from Islam. In order to do this, there will either be an Islamic Inquisition created internally by Muslims, or if Muslims can't do it, it will be imposed upon Muslims by everyone else, by force. Non-Muslims are not going to keep sitting around getting blown up hoping that terrorists can be repudiated into a peaceful coexistence.

If it is a death penalty offense to change the law, but there is no recognized authority to enforce that offence, then the law is useless. It is critically important that Muslims agree to have someone with authority, and begin resolving this internally. These terrorists need to be officially excommunicated quickly. You are not going to like the results if non-Muslims have to do it for you.

Don't try to gain credit with women by pointing out Islamic Sura's. Women are discredited in all religions. Check out
1 Corinthians 11
1 Timothy 2
1 Peter 3

Women, despite the religion are never given credence.

Thank you for your reply, but with all due respect, it is far too late for simple repudiation. If Islam is a peaceful religion, then Muslims who advocate violence can and should be cut off from Islam. In order to do this, there will either be an Islamic Inquisition created internally by Muslims, or if Muslims can't do it, it will be imposed upon Muslims by everyone else, by force. Non-Muslims are not going to keep sitting around getting blown up hoping that terrorists can be repudiated into a peaceful coexistence. If it is a death penalty offense to change the law, but There is no recognized authority to enforce that offense, then the law is useless. It is critically important that Muslims agree to have someone with authority, and begin resolving this internally. These terrorists need to be officially excommunicated quickly. You are not going to like the results if non-Muslims have to do it for you

Baloney. There needs to be no Inquisition, are you saying the first one was with merit? Fanatics can be silenced with conventional methods.

To: In mourning for six years They are idiots and scum sucking dirt bags. If I have all the facts right, did you see where that woman had lost 5 sons to the fighting, and was happy about it? What kind of a mindset is that? An evil mindset, for sure.

Show us where a woman lost five son's and was happy

"I wonder if Cat Stevens was at the meeting."

An interestng question. He used to make songs about peace but called for the death of Salmon Rushdie. It's funny, in a sick way, how the lefties view the world.

haveeen studying the Middle-Eastern culture for 18 years. I have read the Koran cover to cover many times. The "Multi-culturists" say we have to "Understand" the moslem world. The funny part is that I know much more of thier culture then any of the leftist elitists. I have been to Egypt, Israel, and Saudi-Arabia. These left wing guys dont even know the FIRST thing about the culture of Islam, yet they want to lecture people like me. The only normal country over there is Turkey... they have acheived seperation of Church(MOsque) and state and they are by far the most normal moslem country there is. If you read the Koran, you will see that the original poster is right. By the Sharia(Islamic law.), if they had control of us, all "people of the book"(Jews and Christians.) would be subjected to the Religous tax and treated like second class citizens. Buddhists, new agers and the like would simply be executed. So, we have US defending LEftists from people like that... we defend thier values while they(The leftists ) curse us for it. Hell, I almost think that they would protest us SAVING thier lives!!! I am probably right on this. They are intellectual weaklings... leftists and fundamentalists alike.

WOW, why are we supposed to take your word? What I know of Islam no one should take a life, or give their own without merit. I also happen to know that they do not desicrate or dessert Christians in general, that they believe us to be believers in God, which is what they hope for in all they me.

Quick...Load your guns.... er I mean your vacuum cleaners and get some sticks you may need to defend yourselves and your families.
Maybe Liberal Gun grabbers can give you some pointers on how to talk some Radical Islamist out off killing ya and the whole family..

Fanatics can be silenced with conventional methods.

Are you saying that repudiation, the conventional method ankaboot described here, works against terrorists?

"I wonder if Cat Stevens was at the meeting."

An interestng question. He used to make songs about peace but called for the death of Salmon Rushdie. It's funny, in a sick way, how the lefties view the world.

He did not call for the death of Salman Rushdie. A reporter tried to put those words in his mouth but they weren't there at all. He did not agree with Khomein's "fatwa."

It doesn't matter to me whether people believe this falsity or not, and I don't think the truth matters to the Anti-Islam Brigades, but it strikes me as unfair to leave this particular slander against this particular individual unanswered. It's just plain false, he did no such thing.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

"He did not call for the death of Salman Rushdie."

Please show me the evidence that he did not. I'll eat my words if you do.

Are you saying that repudiation, the conventional method ankaboot described here, works against terrorists?

The "conventional method" that I described is killing those who falsify religion by passing judgments that are themselves a falsification of the Law. "Repudiation" is what is within the power of the average muslim, and within the laws of Great Britain. So under British law "repudiation" is a "conventional method."

I think the "conventional methods" Danielle refers to are reasoned discussion in the marketplace of ideas, law enforcement on the basis of evidence of acts, and the other common methods of dealing with people who have ferocious anti-social tendencies and a wagging tongue. "Shouting them down" also appears, from most of the posts in this Thread, a "conventional method" in the minds of some people who cannot provide reasoned discussion on the basis of truth.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

"He did not call for the death of Salman Rushdie."

Please show me the evidence that he did not. I'll eat my words if you do.

Let the one who accuses him provide evidence or be exposed as ignorant and merely repeating slanders and lies. The exact words spoken by the reporter and by Yusuf (Cat Stevens) Islam are well-recorded and widely reported, and he has addressed this slander repeatedly since the false report. So bring your evidence, there is no way anyone needs to waste time trying to prove a negative, you can't "prove" that something doesn't exist -- it can't be done.

It didn't happen: prove otherwise, accuser.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

"I also happen to know that they do not desicrate or dessert Christians in general."

How nice! I will have to remember to attend Mass at Hagia Sophia if I ever go to Istanbul.

"Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting."

It sounds good but what is your opinion of the turds that bombed The WTC.

Another recent bloodthirsty fatwah from the gentle religion, for the archives.

Eventually they will... when their "peaceful" muslims with their sword to their throats cry: "Islam!"

It's also a source of amazement to me that the Brits have cotinued to import (as have we) people who despise them with no apparant attempts to screen them for motives, beliefs, political pursuasion, etc. Multi culti has gone way overboard IMHO.

The Brits have no more say so over who floods into their country as we do, the scumbags occupying our governments are hell bent on mongrelization, and it's happening, big time, enjoy critter-culturalism.

It sounds good but what is your opinion of the turds that bombed The WTC.

I think being burned to death was, for them, just the beginning, and an entirely appropriate way to get started on a permanent condition -- or one that will last for a long, long time, quite possibly forever. I can almost hear them screaming, as much for the pain as for the knowledge that it's never going to stop. There's no doubt whatever in my mind that they are experiencing that right this instant, while the six thousand martyrs they massacred are in paradise.

"And as often as their skins are burned away, God replaces them with other skins and they abide in the Fire."

Sounds like real justice to me, not the milk-toast crap handed out to outlaws in the "humanitarian" world.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

Fanatics can be silenced with conventional methods.

Are you referring to counseling suicide bombers on the way to their targets? Get a grip, lady.

What I know of Islam no one should take a life, or give their own without merit.

Gee, who are all those bearded chaps screaming "Allah Akbar" as they slit throats and blow up children from the Philippines to Nigeria to New York? Must be a big misunderstanding.

Don't try to gain credit with women by pointing out Islamic Sura's. Women are discredited in all religions. Check out 1 Corinthians 11 1 Timothy 2 1 Peter 3 Women, despite the religion are never given credence.

That must be why we see all the women in Paris, Tokyo and Chicago forced to wear head to toe Chadors and Burquas, and why they are beaten on the street by Christian "religious police" if their wrists or feet show, thereby inflaming the lust of blameless men.

I guess that's why women in America are not allowed to drive, vote, work outside the home or travel without written permission from their husband or closest male relative.

Lady, you crack me up.

"There's no doubt whatever in my mind that they are experiencing that right this instant, while the six thousand martyrs they massacred are in paradise."

I guess we will leave it at that for tonight.

Indonesian Christians Butchered In Islamic "Crusades".

Culture/Society News Keywords: INDONESIA, CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS

Source: Scotland On Sunday

Published: 7/8/01 Author: Catherine Philp

Posted on 07/09/2001 10:12:24 PDT by marshmallow

MARINA Rumakur had two choices: renounce her Christian faith and convert to Islam or be killed. "They told us we must convert or they would cut our throats," recalled the shy 14-year-old. Like hundreds of other Christians she fled into the jungle when her village on the tiny Indonesian island of Kesui was attacked by Islamic militants.

The threat to Marina’s life was genuine. Two teachers from a neighbouring village had already been beheaded when they refused to convert. "So we knew we had no choice."

Worse, however, was to come. More than 900 Christian men, women and children from all over Kesui were forced to submit to ritual circumcision as part of a campaign to purge the island of its entire Christian population.

The brutal forced conversions mark a new low in the religious war that has raged through Indonesia’s Spice Islands for the past two years, claiming the lives of more than 5,000 civilians. Christians say the the attacks on the village were led by the feared Laskar Jihad, the self-styled "holy warriors" who arrived here from Java last year to take up arms on behalf of their beleaguered Muslim brothers. As they descended on Karlomin village, the white-robed warriors let out a cry of "Allahu Akbar" or "God is Great", the trademark battle cry of the Laskar Jihad.

After surrendering, Marina and the other villagers were marched to a mosque in the Muslim village of Amarlaud where they were ordered to wash in preparation for conversion. The few belongings they had brought with them were searched, and their Bibles and prayer books were taken away and burned. Marina fought back tears as a small gold cross, her confirmation gift, was ripped from her neck.

Outside the mosque, warriors stood guard with rifles and spears as the Christians knelt and recited the simple prayer marking a convert’s entrance into the Islamic faith. Glancing up, some saw the barrel of a gun aimed straight at them as they stumbled through the unfamiliar words.

For the next week they were kept prisoner in the mosque as the imam observed them praying five times a day.

Despite that, they were told their performance had not been satisfactory and that they would have to undergo a further ceremony. No one dared ask what it entailed. Men and women were separated and led away to a curtained area at the side of the mosque. When Marina’s turn came, she was told to remove her lower clothing and made to sit in the lap of one Muslim woman while another performed the circumcision.

The rusty razor blade she used had already been used on several other women without being disinfected.

"The razor was covered in blood," Marina recounted. "I was trembling and crying so they told me to close my eyes." The women told her that the cut would be "no more painful that an ant bite." That turned out to be a lie.

"The blade was so blunt that they had to cut again and again. It was so painful that I cried out," said Marina softly, hiding her face with her hands. Her six-year-old sister, Emiliana, was the youngest to be circumcised. "It was worst for her because she is so little. She cried and cried from the pain."

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Yes, Danielle, this certainly is a widespread practice in Western countries. You are right, all religions treat women the same way.

Another recent bloodthirsty fatwah from the gentle religion, for the archives.

Sheesh. Everytime I turn around the followers from the genteel religion of peace are calling for Jihads and Fatwas against the free world. I think it's quite clear that the umma can easily be translated into the "community of Fascists".

This all started when Sarah had Abraham send Hagar and Ishmael away to Egypt.

Anyone who thinks they're worshipping the one and true G-d AND flies planes into buildings, killing innocents is deluded and evil...

Bloodthirsty fascists, with a gentle appearing advance party PR machine.

I have to confess that in reading prophecies about the anti-Christ and all the references to him, that long before this all happened I wondered if the anti-Christ would be muslim.

While I most definitly could be mistaken here, I think a muslim would be too obvious. I've always figured the second beast would be more an atheist/secularist who would rule the entire world, greatly increase the standard of living for everyone, and basically not only dominate people but also make them love him for it. The beast's purpose is not to phisically harm everyone, but rather to deceive them, trick them into follwing him, and ruin their eternal souls.

Muslim imigrants calling for a holy war on their host nations? This is great!! Makes life much easier on us. Instead of trying to separate the good from the bad, these guys just pretty much just jump up and yell "Hey! Over here! We're bad guys! You might as well shoot us first!"