DUBAI (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden, in his first verified statement since the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, swore in videotaped remarks broadcast Sunday that the United States would not live in peace until "peace reigns in Palestine."

"America has been filled with horror from north to south and east to west, and thanks be to God what America is tasting now is only a copy of what we have tasted," he said in a statement to Qatar's al-Jazeera television, referring to the attacks in the United States that left about 6,000 people dead or missing.

"Our Islamic nation has been tasting the same for more 80 years," he said, adding President Bush was the "head of the infidels."

"God has blessed a group of vanguard Muslims to destroy America ... and may God bless them and allot them a place in heaven."

"I swear to God to that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine," he said.

Jazeera said the statement was videotaped after Sept. 11 but did not give a specific date. An aide to bin Laden, Ayman Zawahri, urged Muslims to resist America and another aide said the attacks were because America supported Israel's occupation of Arab lands.

There is nooooooooooooo palestine will someone tell this nut that

80 years. There's a very important reason he put the timeline at 80.

And what is the reason for that?

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Osama bin Laden, in his first verified statement since the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, swore in videotaped remarks broadcast Sunday that the United States would not live in peace until "peace reigns in Palestine."

I still say the State Department is helping write his speeches.

Wasn't the Balfour Declaration about 80 years ago? Was that the reason for that time span being mentioned? I'd like to know.

British takeover of the Ottoman empire?

Well, as if we were going to believe that Bin Laden can be our fairy god father offering us protection in exchange for Israel.

Give me Liberty or Give me death.

"...until "peace reigns in Palestine." So-o-o-o, round up all the palistinians and ship them to afghanistan.

"I swear to God to that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine," he said.

Interesting. I'd say this is a relatively recent addition to the plan -- gotta stock up on fanatics, and spread the pain a bit, and also crank up the fundamentalists in the surrounding Arab countries.

The question is, how much traction will Osama get with the tactic, given that this will probably pit fundies against their governments? And how much effort do you suppose the Bush administration is putting into driving a wedge between them?

My feeling is that Osama's probably going to overplay his hand on this one. The rulers of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia have to much stake in remaining part of the real world to let the fundamentalists go on as they have.

Perhaps this suggestion bears further consideration:

Afghanistan: The New Palestinian Homeland

Christ. Am I paranoid to think that "80 years" was in fact a code for remaining terror cells in the continental US?

"Bin Laden says" this

"Bin Laden says" that

I can't WAIT for the day when Bin Laden says, "WILL SOMEONE PLEEEASE GET THIS PORK CHOP OUTTA MY COLON!!!"

Of course, the reply would HAVE to be, "Say 'Uncle'."

Peace. Imagine.

Remember, this bin Laden doesn't represent Islam or Palestine. He's a billionaire playboy who gets his jollies playing 'war' with real people and real planes.

Islam isn't any more wrong, nor is the idea of a Palestinian State, any more wrong, than are the planes bin Laden hijacked. The truth is, bin Laden hijacked all these things and ideas in order to play 'war'.

Using the Palestinians may convince more than a few people, Palestinians and non-Palestinians alike, that he represents Palestine and Islam, but he doesn't represent them any more than the actions of the Unibomber represented Green Peace or the Oklahoma bomber represented States-Rights advocates.

These are angry murderers who commit atrocities and then try to cover up their crimes by taking up causes they think will get them support.

Likely.

...until "peace reigns in Palestine." So-o-o-o, round up all the palistinians and ship them to afghanistan.

Well, Osama bin Laden said there would not be peace for the United States until all Jews were out of Palestine.

This is very significant -- because -- all of that land is considered "PALESTINE" (including "Israel" -- because they do not recognize Israel). Thus, what he was saying is that there will be no peace in the United States until all Jews are forced out of that region.

NOW, FURTHERMORE, the national new media is LYING about this -- because they've added the words -- out of the "Palestinian-occupied areas". And the national new media knows beyond any doubt that they don't mean that. They are "covering for Osama bin Laden" by not letting the American public know what he really means. The Islamics know what he means.

"Our Islamic nation has been tasting the same for more 80 years," he said.

In President Bush's speech, announcing that the war on terrorism had
begun with strikes on Afghanistan, he asked,"ANYONE FOR DESSERT?"

Is this Binny's way of saying, "Wait a minute. Bush said there might be a Palestinian state. Oh, well, I guess the war is over. We won! You can stop bombing now and I'll stop hijacking airplanes. Thank you vetty much."

Remember, this bin Laden doesn't represent Islam or Palestine. He's a billionaire playboy who gets his jollies playing 'war' with real people and real planes.

Islam isn't any more wrong, nor is the idea of a Palestinian State, any more wrong, than are the planes bin Laden hijacked. The truth is, bin Laden hijacked all these things and ideas in order to play 'war'.

From listening to the Islamics all over the world -- and we're talking about the "masses" -- it would definitely seem that Osama bin Laden does represent typical Islamic thinking. There is no doubt about that. That's why his message resonates throughout the whole Islamic world. You may want to pretend that it isn't so -- but there are countless examples of this representing true Islamic feeling all over the world.

You're simply an apologist for the Satanic religion of Islamic being a "Peaceful Religion".

You've spelled it wrong. They're a PIECEFUL RELIGION -- because they will chopped someone into "PIECES" if they do not submit to Islam. That's what they mean by "pieceful".

And definitely Islam is a perverse and Satanic religion, fitting perfectly all the attributes of Satan that we are given in the Bible. Satan is a liar, a deceiver, a destroyer and pretends to be "religious".

You may not have noticed but he (and the world of Islamics) are not "playing" at war. We have a couple of missing 100-story buildings in New York that are not a "play-pen".

he doesn't represent them

I beg to differ. I think he does very much represent them and that there will never be any peace as long as Israel exists.

The USA must either stop support of Israel and let it be destroyed or annihilate the muslim world.

It's really that simple.

Otherwise the "War on Terrorism" will never be won, and we will always have to worry about some scumbag with a bad beard blowing himself up at the mall.

Last seen in Florida, beating up his G/F and playing golf (badly) and without the diaper.

I believe that must be it. The British Mandate over much of the former Ottoman territories began in about 1920. The French controlled Syria and Lebanon, IIRC.

Give me Liberty or Give me death.

I keep seeing people saying this. I'm an American, I have liberty, and the terrorists don't threaten that -- if anything, my own government sometimes does, with new wiretap laws and other expansions of police power into our privacy as American citizens. How does "Give me Liberty or Give me death" have any application to supporting the President? It sounds like liberty is threatened, and it's not as far as I can see here on the ground in America, it's alive and well.

How about "America First!"? Let's get focused on American interests and what benefits the American people. There must be some good quotation from our history that would be more appropriate than "Give me" something we already have.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

Is this Binny's way of saying, "Wait a minute. Bush said there might be a Palestinian state. Oh, well, I guess the war is over. We won! You can stop bombing now and I'll stop hijacking airplanes. Thank you vetty much."

NOPE! You've got the wrong idea here. Osama bin Laden said that until *all the Jews were out of Palestine, the war would continue on the United States.

AND -- you have to know what all the Islamics think is "PALESTINE". It's all of Israel. That's what the national news media is not reporting.

In other words, they want the TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL -- or else -- the war continues on the U.S. Is this a "religious war"? It certainly is!!

Here's some great perspective by Joseph Farah, an Arab American, at WorldNetDaily from about a year ago. http://WorldNetDaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15066

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Myths of the Middle East by Joseph Farah (c) 2000, WorldNetDaily.com

I've been quiet since Israel erupted in fighting spurred by disputes over the Temple Mount.

Until now, I haven't even bothered to say, "See, I told you so." But I can't resist any longer. I feel compelled to remind you of the column I wrote just a couple weeks before the latest uprising. Yeah, folks, I predicted it. That's OK. Hold your applause.

After all, I wish I had been wrong. More than 80 people have been killed since the current fighting in and around Jerusalem began. And for what?

If you believe what you read in most news sources, Palestinians want a homeland and Muslims want control over sites they consider holy. Simple, right?

Well, as an Arab-American journalist who has spent some time in the Middle East dodging more than my share of rocks and mortar shells, I've got to tell you that these are just phony excuses for the rioting, trouble-making and land-grabbing.

Isn't it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?

"Well, Farah," you might say, "that was before the Israelis seized the West Bank and Old Jerusalem."

That's true. In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. I can't help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed-before or since-as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

What about Islam's holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem.

Shocked? You should be. I don't expect you will ever hear this brutal truth from anyone else in the international media. It's just not politically correct.

I know what you're going to say: "Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam's third most holy sites."

Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem.

So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Koran, the seventeenth Sura, entitled "The Night Journey." It relates that in a dream or a vision Mohammed was carried by night "from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. ..." In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that's as close as Islam's connection to the days of Abraham.

The latest round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the Temple built by Solomon. It is the holiest site for Jews. Sharon and his entourage were met with stones and threats. I know what it's like. I've been there. Can you imagine what it is like for Jews to be threatened, stoned and physically kept out of the holiest site in Judaism?

So what's the solution to the Middle East mayhem? Well, frankly, I don't think there is a man-made solution to the violence. But, if there is one, it needs to begin with truth.

Pretending will only lead to more chaos. Treating a 5,000-year-old birthright backed by overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence equally with illegitimate claims, wishes and wants gives diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name.

"God has blessed a group of vanguard Muslims to destroy America ... and may God bless them and allot them a place in heaven."

"I swear to God to that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine," he said.

With friends like this . . . .

Will the Palestinian Arabs finally wake up and see that Bin Laden's "help" only sullies their cause and alienates those who have been sympathetic to that cause?

ER...weren't the Palestinians dancing in the streets holding pictures of Bin Laden and enjoying our pain.

My but you hurry to the defense of the dancers holding the Bin Laden signs.

The USA must either stop support of Israel and let it be destroyed or annihilate the muslim world.

It's really that simple.

You've got the "issue" right -- but you've got the wrong solution. Islam is a false religion and Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (which He is for the Jews and the Christians).

Thus, the proper end result is for the Islamics to stay out of Israel -- which the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob gave to the Jews forever. Islam is a tool of the Devil and they have thw same goal as Satan, which is the total destruction of Israel and the killing of all the Jews in the world.

This will never stand. Islam will die! The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will defend His name to the world, as He has told us that He will.

Perhaps something he stated in his speech was an attack code for all the terrorism cells watching his speech on tv. But, I don't know. I don't think any retaliation they have planned will be too bad (unless it is chemical or something).

Bin Laden sure has a big mouth from his hiding place. The man is a COWARD. The man is a LOSER. The man will do as he's told.

I'd say this is a relatively recent addition to the plan

I think so too. Up til now his big beef with America was US troops in Saudi Arabia, home of Mecca and Medina. Secondary was "liberating" mosques in Israel. Now he's saying it's about a Palestinian state.

Can't even settle on an issue to be a terrorist about.

You seem to be assuming that the destruction of Israel would appease Islamic militants, and deflect their animus against the West. What is that based on?

The United States does not abandon its friends or its principles, or what is good and decent and right, because of terrorist or military threats from the bad guys. At least it has not so far in its history. If the US support of Israel results in a greater threat, so be it. Peace without justice is no peace at all, at least when it comes to peace with one's soul.

At least that is how I see it. I support your point of view will not be well received here. At least I hope so.

There is nooooooooooooo palestine will someone tell this nut that

Even though he is a mad Mufti Tufti--he has a good point there. I am afraid the Israelis will just have to curtail their land stealing operations. The statute of limitations ran out thousands of years ago on the bible. Lets face only fools believe these religious books of whatever ilk!

support = suspect.

He wants to see Israel destroyed no doubt. What a charming fellow. I gather if we ceded to his terms we'd be next and this American has no doubt of the kind of peace he wants for Jews and Americans --- the one in which we're all safely dead. Our answer in response is to offer him the same peace he's offered us and we can promise him we will not rest fail or falter until he and his Al Quaeda terrorist network is out of business for good and you can take that to the bank.

I am afraid the Israelis will just have to curtail their land stealing operations.

You must have missed that map that Barak offered Arafat. It is really more of an issue thanks to Arafat's "clarification," of whether Israel may hold any land at all in the region for the long term.

The Palestinians were offered a Palestinian state, Why wait until now to grumble about it. There is no Palestinian State, just a terriost called Yassar Arafat screaming for one. Lefa Elliott

The British Mandate (1917-1948 CE)

The Palestinians were offered a Palestinian state, Why wait until now to grumble about it. There is no Palestinian State, just a terriost called Yassar Arafat screaming for one. Lefa Elliott

#22 LMAO.

OBL is a mixed up Muslim.

I just heard him ranting about "American terrorism" against "his country" and our killing "his people"......yada yada yada.

The sumbitch is a SAUDI!

And a freakin' millionaire +.

He has about as much affinity for Afghanistan as I have for Sadass Hussein.

"God has blessed a group of vanguard Muslims to destroy America ... and may God bless them and allot them a place in heaven." "I swear to God to that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine," he said.

I'd say thats a confession of his responsibility for 9/11, no?

Bin Laden specifically mentioned 81 years as the period of subjugation of his lands, I think. So what happened in 1920 to torque him off?

Also, in reply to another poster, he didn't stop at the creation of a Palestinian state. He specifically said all Israelis must leave what is now called Israel.

to which we say: Peace for the U.S. or Bin Laden in pieces

Israel -- which the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob gave to the Jews forever.

As children of Abraham, the Children of Israel surely have a right to live in the Promised Land, in my opinion wherever they want to live, in peace. But as a purely academic question, how do you reconcile the Babylonian Captivity and the Roman occupation after Jesus -- two rather obvious times when the land was taken from the Children -- with the "forever" you assert?

If God gives you something, no one can take it away -- or that's how it seems to me, since God does whatever He wants to do and does not lie. So where does He say "forever" while obviously "forever" has not been part of the Promise?

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

How about "America First!"? Let's get focused on American interests and what benefits the American people. There must be some good quotation from our history that would be more appropriate than "Give me" something we already have.

You have said much the same thing on previous threads. Yet when asked what policies you believe would be in America's interest, you are somewhat vague.

So I ask you for your opinion:

1. What should the United States do now in response to the terrorist attacks?

2. What should be US policy regarding Israel and the Palestinians?

3. What should be Israel's policy toward the Palestinians?

4. What should be the policy of the Palestinians and other Arab states toward Israel?

He's releasing statements like this for a reason. To widen the war. This guy's a global thinker. What he really wants is to overthrow the Saudi government, to get control of the oil fields there. He and his people feel the desert there is sacred ground.

He also wants control of the Islamic bomb. Only Pakistan among the Islamic world has nuclear weapons. If Osama can get control of these weapons, then he'll be able to create total havoc.

If he gets these two main objectives, then we are in for a World War III. We may be already.

Short of obtaining these two objectives, all he says and does are to inflame the world, and bring chaos on. Chaos in the area, with people rioting in the streets, will destabilize the two governments in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

And now it begins. Our goal must be total victory.

The Palestinians were offered a Palestinian state, Why wait until now to grumble about it. There is no Palestinian State, just a terriost called Yassar Arafat screaming for one. Lefa Elliott

The USA must either stop support of Israel and let it be destroyed or annihilate the muslim world.

The Muslim terrorist movements are based on the idea that Allah has divinely fated them to win. Defeat them soundly enough that it's clear that it's not Allah's will[1] that Israel be destroyed and the U.S. defeated, then the Muslim nations may start leaving the rest in the world in peace.

[1] Or, if you believe that Allah is not just another name for God, that God is stronger than Allah and will not allow the destruction of Israel and defeat of the U.S.

Or is that SPIN LADEN?

The Palestinians were offered a Palestinian state, Why wait until now to grumble about it. There is no Palestinian State, just a terriost called Yassar Arafat screaming for one. Lefa Elliott

If anyone thinks this is all about a Palestinian state...then put down your crack pipe. Bin Laden and his cronies are a bunch of psychotic killers, no different from Hitler. The fact is none of these middle eastern countries want the Palestinians. Its an excuse for a bunch of layabouts to go on killing sprees. So some dude around 600 AD says that its Allahs holyland and the Infidels must be driven out...last I checked the Jews were there 3000 years before Mohamed existed. A religion based on real estate? Its a sham created by some whacko. Some religion.

bin Laden's message was recorded to be played when the U.S. launched its strikes - the message is to the Hamas and Hizbollah cells in America - it was their command from bin Laden to start their agendas of terrorists attacks within America! That is why it says "no peace for U.S. until Palestine free!" I sure hope the FBI and the CIA have all the Hamas/Hizbollah cells in their cross-hairs now!

Osama bin Laden

oh piss on this guy and his b*llsh*t!> I have had enough of this twerp and his rants and raves and all the evil crap he has to say. Would somebody just kill this evil bastard and get it over with. Take this scum off the face of the earth. He is a little dictator that is going to see one hell of a lot of his people die! And why? Because of him and his false teachings regaurding the Muslim faith. I've had enough of this twerp. It is time the United States take this SOB to school and swat him like a fly.

I think that you were dismissing my claim that bin Laden's actions against us was due to our strong support of Israel. Care to retract anything?

If God gives you something, no one can take it away -- or that's how it seems to me, since God does whatever He wants to do and does not lie. So where does He say "forever" while obviously "forever" has not been part of the Promise?

You're not too familiar with the theology of the Bible, are you? From both the Christians standpoint and the Jewish standpoint -- it's fully recognized what God says about that. God says clearly that He has promised the land to Israel FOREVER but would remove them from the land (those times mentioned in the Bible) and make it desolate for their disobedience to Him.

And He promises that after their disobedience has been paid for (which He says will last for "only a time" that He specifies) -- that He will fully restore Israel to the land and that they will never be taken out again. It's this current restoral (that they've been in since their formation as a state in 1948 -- which is that final restoration.

It's at this present time that it will lead into the full and final restoration totally under Israel's control and for the full extent of the land that was originally promised. The extent of that is from the land of Egypt in the south, to Syria in the north and over to the Euphrates River in Iraq. This is what is being accommplished now.

God says that He will do that -- or else He is not God. He has made the JUSTIFICATION OF HIS NAME (in terms of being the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) conditional upon the promises He gave, being fulfilled in their entirety.

God has said that there will be the time of the Tribulation (of 7 years) prior to that full and final restoral of Israel and it's coming Kingdom under the Messiah and its rule over all the nations of the world. This is what will happen -- as God (of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) says He will accomplish it -- for no other reason than to justify His name and to prove to the world that what He says is true and that there is no other God besides Himself.

"just a terriost called Yassar Arafat screaming for one."

Arafat does not want a state or country. If one is created he will be out of a job and all the benifits he gets now. He's is middle east's jesse jackson! HA HA HA

"ANYONE FOR DESSERT?"

The agitprop, anklebooties, is here to create as much dissonance as it can. I like the questions you asked, I would be interested in any reasonable Muslim answering those queries, but I don't expect agitprop-ankle to do much more than revel in the attention and beat around the black rock.

For your amusement, I've decided to translate ankie's little proclamation:

Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting, a Mercy for us As terrorist ass kissers, ankie and his butties are surely acquiring martyrdom. Be like the better son of Adam. Since ankie and his sycophancy admire killing and mayhem and are here to create dissonance, the better son of Adma would be Cain to them for that one treated God like He was to owe Cain in the works bargain ... Islam is based on works that make God owe them something (in their minds at least, which is really amazing naivity on their part, making God awfully weak to owe bloody murderers anything!).

The United States does not abandon its friends or its principles, or what is good and decent and right, because of terrorist or military threats from the bad guys

That is basically true, so I guess the only solution to the terrorist problem is to topple all muslim states except Turkey and Jordan and replace them with pro western governments.

Outlaw rags and headress like they did in Turkey, suppress Islam as a religion wherever it exists and westernize the populations.

Anything else is just a waste of money, time, and lives.

The terrorists understand this, which is why they keep calling for Jihad.

They can't imagine that we would leave Islam in place to perpetually bite us in the ass for generations to come.

We wouldn't be that stupid, would we?

There is nooooooooooooo palestine will someone tell this nut that

I've never heard of it. What is it?

No.

The statute of limitations ran out thousands of years ago on the bible.

I don't believe that at all.

God has kept His Promises to the Children of Israel and continues to keep them. The fly in the ointment is that God knows what those Promises are, and that's what counts no matter what others might say they are. Good things come to the Children of Israel when they keep their Covenant with God, and bad things are also Promised to the Children of Israel when they don't keep their Covenant with God.

The Kingdom of David was part of the Promise, the Kingdom of Solomon was part of the Promise, the Babylonian Captivity was part of the Promise, Jesus was part of the Promise, the Roman desecration was part of the Promise, Diaspora was part of the Promise, the Golden Age of Judaism (which is what Jews call it) in Muslim Spain was part of the Promise, the Inquisition was part of the Promise, even the Holocaust is described in the Bible (which doesn't make Hitler anything other than a devil) as something the Children are Promised. Jews all over the world who are faithful to the Torah say this themselves. God's Promises do not have an expiration date.

We can come forward to right now and everything that's happened with the Children of Israel has been fulfillment of God's Promise to them, and according to their Covenant with Him in the Sinai -- that's the meaning of "The Chosen People" and the Children of Israel will never be anything other than those He chose for that Promise and that Covenant that they made with Him. It's all in Deuteronomy: the good, the bad and the ugly.

Let's face it -- only fools believe these religious books of whatever ilk!

Oh, I see. Odd, then, that Scripture describes what's going on right now. I suppose you think that's coincidence?

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

Bump.

Yes

I wonder if he has a pink mohawk under that turban like the Ayatollah did in Naked Gun.

At no time did Jews disapear form the Land of Israel. Even at the time of the Babylonian captivity, and for the past two thousand years, there have been plenty of Jews in Israel.

Their number burgeoned after vast returns from Europe, and the Middle East, but they never left Israel, they only lost political control.

Salaam Aleikum

Islam isn't any more wrong, nor is the idea of a Palestinian State, any more wrong, than are the planes bin Laden hijacked. The truth is, bin Laden hijacked all these things and ideas in order to play 'war'.

Wrong. islam is wrong...about everything, period, it's a gutter religion badsed on the mad utterings of a perverted, blood thirsty pedophile. So is the idea of any palestinian state other than Jordan.

so glad you cleared up that little irrelevancy known as the Holy Bible. gosh, you could have done that earlier and saved us all a lot of time, oh great sage.

I guess the only solution to the terrorist problem is to topple all muslim states except Turkey and Jordan and replace them with pro western governments.

Outlaw rags and headress like they did in Turkey, suppress Islam as a religion wherever it exists and westernize the populations.

You aren't Anne Coulter are you? The above would also represent an abandoning of our principles, in almost every conceivable way. No, we must sail our ship between Scylla and Charybdis to get it right, and get it right we will.

The Palestinians were offered a Palestinian state, after the seven year war. Why wait until now to grumble about it. There is no Palestinian State, just a terriost called Yassar Arafat screaming for one. Lefa Elliott

"I swear to God to that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine,"

Such condition of affairs will happen but only after the return of Jesus Christ.

I think Osama's been reading the western liberal press - he has been notorious for his indifference to the Palestinians until now.

This is as much a war agaisnt terrorism as it is against the naivete of liberalism. Both are now dead in the water. God Bless America.

My reasons for supporting Israel are a bit less directly theological than yours, but you are certainly right that "until peace reigns in Palestine" is Islamist code for "until the whole area now occupied by the State of Israel is judenfrei." And anyone who thinks that bin Laden's preferred way of achieving this would be to politely ship the Jews off to Manhattan must still be referring to the 9-11 bombers as "alleged attackers."

, I have liberty

What liberty are you talking about? The one that gives you 5600 hundred people flattened at the WTC?

That's no liberty unless one is on the camps of terrorists.

"I swear to God to that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine,"

Well since we are swearing, I swear to God I will live to see OBL burn in hell from a distance.

"I swear to God to that America will not live in peace before peace reigns in Palestine,"

Fine..

Paint "Peace" on two dozen nukes and drop them on Palestine.

I am well aware that right before any major attack Ben Ladin hits the airways. Like with the Cole and the events in NYC and DC, we just have to prepare our spirits to endure what ever happens.

Personally, I am armed at all times now, if NYC was a miss calculation on Ben Ladins part, and the most damage he is capable of doing, then we will see terrorists run into department stores, restaurants, grocery stores, sports stadiums, movie theaters, and night spots to blow themselves up.

So I ask you for your opinion:

I try to form my opinions strictly from the shari'ah Law of Islam, since I'm a muslim fundamentalist (that is, a keeper of the tradition), but strictly speaking my opinion on these things is immaterial since they're not things for which I have been made responsible. The American people have chosen George Bush and some Senators and Congressmen to be responsible for these things, not me. However ...

1. What should the United States do now in response to the terrorist attacks?

I haven't done any military planning lately, my engagement in jihad has been in the State and federal courts for years now, where different rules of engagement apply. So I may miss some details here ...

The United States should positively identify and find those behind the terror war and annihilate them, without shedding innocent blood, uprooting trees or orchards, killing livestock, poisoning water sources or otherwise harming the noncombatant populations, and causing minimal damage to accomplish the necessary objective of returning death to the guilty. This is what the terrorists did not do and the United States should be the complete opposite of those liars and renegades who falsify the Law and set an unequivocal example showing that Americans -- without being muslims -- are better muslims than the muslims are. This would illumionate the liars in the terminally collapsed millennial muslim world so that all the world could see their hypocrisy and falsity. In my opinion.

2. What should be US policy regarding Israel and the Palestinians?

The United States should clearly identify and pursue the interests of America and Americans and not, as George Washington warned us against, form "a passionate attachment" to, or "an inveterate hatred" of, any other nation, as such could create "the illusion of a common interest where no common interest exists." Former Undersecretary of State and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations George W. Ball, with his son, Dr. Douglas B. Ball, wrote The Passionate Attachment (ISBN 0-393-02933-6) in 1992, which describes the abandonment of this principle that has directly produced the situation we face today in the Holy Land and in America.

3. What should be Israel's policy toward the Palestinians?

Israel should return to the Law and the Prophets, heed the admonitions for repentance and Call of the Messiah Jesus, and return to fidelity with their Covenant with God.

4. What should be the policy of the Palestinians and other Arab states toward Israel?

They should pray to God for deliverance, of course.

God will ask those who are oppressed in the land why they did not migrate, and I think that most of those who have had a capacity to flee the Holy Land, where they and their ancestors had lived in peace for centuries prior to the Twentieth Century, have already done so. The Christian presence in Jerusalem, for example, is about two percent of what it was sixty years ago.

However, for inability to flee, or for religious, or for whatever reasons, many Christians, many traditionally religious Jews, and many muslims remain in the Holy Land in the vicinity of Jerusalem and Bethlehem and other places where the Messiah Jesus walked among the Children of Israel. Most, I think, are waiting to see him again. They should protect themselves and their families, homes, churches, synagogues and mosques, cemeteries, and all of the Holy Places regarded as such by their respective religions and the religions of their neighbors, as best they are able from the recurrent and continuing domestic and international terrorism of the regime in Tel Aviv.

The "Arab" states? I've wasted enough time spouting opinions, thanks. Offering opinions to Arab rulers is like pouring water into the sea: no matter how fresh or sweet, it instantly turns salty and undrinkable. Probably they should refill their prescriptions so when the people cut their throats they'll feel good about it. Without what they already have in the way of American-supplied weaponry, I doubt that any of them would remain in power.

was-salaam,
ankaboot
--
Rejoice, muslims, in martyrdom without fighting,
a Mercy for us. Be like the better son of Adam.

Osama bin Laden, in his first verified statement since the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, swore in videotaped remarks broadcast Sunday ...

Yeah ? Well, F#ck off and die, Bin Laden...and that pig you rode in on.

Bin Laden Says No Peace for U.S. Until Palestine Free

Which really means

Bin Laden Says No Peace for U.S. Until Israel Destroyed

So you mean he's not interested in, say, a return to the '67 borders? So no matter how many concessions Sharon gives, short of national suicide, Osama won't be happy? You mean the whole "peace process" is a big waste of time?