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 Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: givemeliberty | Post 1361332, reply to 1361214 ] (Score: 2) |
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John Deere (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 05:12 PM |
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givemeliberty:Quote:
Not so sure about that
I can assure you that the thread in question did not influence my final decision regarding WRS's status. I did not find any merit in the charges thrown about regarding the charges in the private message that was released and did not even consider it as I made my decision.
I started communicating with WRS on 03/05/04 regarding his "outing" of another member. On 03/08/04 I sent him communication that essentially focused on his continuing threats of legal action which culminated on this post. My letter to WRS was essentially written late 03/07/04 and sent 03/08/04 (4:26pm server time).
I waited to send it to see what would transpire on the thread that thoughtcriminal had started but sent the letter, which requested that WRS stop making legal threats and skirting our privacy policy, well before the thread even concluded, with only minor edits.
I continued to communicate with WRS and essentially told him that unless he was willing to indemnify LF and others from the threat of legal action, that he was not welcome here. WRS refused and I closed his access. I also told him that he is welcome to return when he can meet my conditions.
You can read my statement on the matter here.
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: givemeliberty | Post 1361378, reply to 1361326 ] (Score: 2) |
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MadameAxe (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 05:34 PM |
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It was buried in the middle of a whole page of Newswatcher flags.
D'oh! Well, that explains the low response to the thread, everyone else's were probably buried as well.Quote:
I really don't care what you decide to do with the thread.
Maybe I should just leave the smelly thing where it is after all, to sink slowly into the tarpit of the Gulch thread history pile.Quote:
Over and done with and no hard feelings as far as I am concerned.
Thank you, and same here.
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I am not defending WRS and can understand why you had to make the decision you did. But, I do believe TC's intent, and that of some of the others, was to exert as much pressure on you as they possibly could, if you did not ban WRS on your own accord.
""The largest state in America is the state of denial"
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: MadameAxe | Post 1361409, reply to 1359896 ] (Score: 2) |
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REC (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 05:54 PM |
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I think you should move this thread to "Breaking News". 
"If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak tonight." -- Jane |
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: REC | Post 1361422, reply to 1361409 ] (Score: 2) |
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MadameAxe (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 06:01 PM |
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Goober!
My inclination at the moment is to leave sleeping dogs - er, threads - lie, but we'll go ahead and see if anyone else has anything to say. It's all sat here this long, a while longer will hardly matter. |
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: MadameAxe | Post 1361475, reply to 1361378 ] (Score: 1) |
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LeWolf (radical) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 06:25 PM |
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Maybe I should just leave the smelly thing where it is after all, to sink slowly into the tarpit of the Gulch thread history pile.
May be, may be. I have personally no problem wherever you want to put it, but I am afraid you have come here to a dead end.
There are as much good reasons to move it or not and both kinds have been exposed. The problem is this thread has no real owner now (I wonder how TC could give you the permission, once answered no one owns it, no more than a discussion no matter who started it).
Your privilege is the one of a hostess embarrassed about an awkawrd, unpleasant and dying guest.
Throwing now the cadaver into the public place hmm.... imagine the rumours from the unwashed mass about this private place.
We could burry it somewhere else with respect like in the Ancient Egypt to be read again in an other life, or may be in 3000 years by someone discovering all those problematic threads in something they will call the Valley of the Kinks....
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: LeWolf | Post 1361512, reply to 1361475 ] (Score: 2) |
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MadameAxe (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 06:50 PM |
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...once answered no one owns it, no more than a discussion no matter who started it
That is a good point. Quote:
We could burry it somewhere else with respect like in the Ancient Egypt to be read again in an other life, or may be in 3000 years by someone discovering all those problematic threads in something they will call the Valley of the Kinks....
LoL!
I guess it doesn't really matter all that much if I just let it rot away in here. It's not as if this topic was some hopping hotbed of discussion before the tempest came to town. |
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Let it go.
And stop bogarting.
Just Say No!...To Politics |
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: MadameAxe | Post 1361598, reply to 1359904 ] (Score: 2) |
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NMC_EXP (insurgent) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 07:39 PM |
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Tough call to make....damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I. the FAB genie is out of the bottle (or at least the perception of one.)
II. if you post the thread in general discussion:
(a) the opinion of WRS's allies will not change e.g. it was a star chamber/lynch mob.
(b) non Gulchers not sympathetic to the pro-muslim, neo-nazi, kill the jews crowd will split regarding whether or not it amounted to an secret lynch mob.
III. the expectation of privacy will be lost.
It boils down to defining the objective of any action (or inaction) on the matter.
If the objective is to remove suspicions that the Gulch is a star chamber your efforts will fail. It will fail even if you actually deleted the Gulch board entirely. Those prone to suspicion will assume some variation on the Gulch theme still existed but under deeper cover.
Paranoia strikes deep.
If it comes down to publically posting the comments of only those who are willing to do so, you have my permission to post mine.
I have no remorse about denouncing WRS. My only regret is that he went away before I had a chance to unload on him publically in a two way exchange.
For what its worth my suggestion is a public explanation of what transpired on the thread in question and let it go at that.
ROCK => John Deere, Madame Axe <= HARD PLACE
"The only kind of freedom that the mob can imagine is freedom to annoy and oppress its betters, and that is precisely the kind that we mainly have."
- H.L. Mencken
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: NMC_EXP | Post 1361613, reply to 1361598 ] (Score: 2) |
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MadameAxe (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 07:45 PM |
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Thank you for your thoughtful analysis. I believe the concerns you express in item II. would also to apply to the posting of any sort of summary.
I'm leaning towards inaction.
Regards |
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: MadameAxe | Post 1361637, reply to 1361613 ] (Score: 2) |
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NMC_EXP (insurgent) |
| Posted on | 03/12/04 08:06 PM |
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I believe the concerns you express in item II. would also to apply to the posting of any sort of summary.
I agree.
I'm leaning towards inaction.
I suspect thats the best option.
"The only kind of freedom that the mob can imagine is freedom to annoy and oppress its betters, and that is precisely the kind that we mainly have."
- H.L. Mencken
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: MadameAxe | Post 1362115, reply to 1361176 ] (Score: 2) |
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texoma (well of great wisdom) |
| Posted on | 03/13/04 05:48 AM |
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Damn! Remind me never to wear muddy shoes in your house or anything! Just stick it in the Tank. There are people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan and Madrid, you know. There are wars to stop.
Rachel Corrie - Dead one year ago, March 16
Invasion of Iraq (remember shock and awe?) one year ago March 20
Iraqi police are shooting American civilians in Iraq. American Orcs are shooting Haitian protesters. The American military shot up a house in Afghanistan with an A10, killing 9 Afghan children, investigated themselves and found themselves innocent. Oh, and you can't see the report because of "national security" issues.
How's that for perspective?
"Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." -H. L. Mencken
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: texoma | Post 1362293, reply to 1362115 ] (Score: 2) |
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MadameAxe (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/13/04 08:08 AM |
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Remind me never to wear muddy shoes in your house or anything!
LOL.Quote:
...How's that for perspective?
Thank you. |
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: texoma | Post 1363232, reply to 1362115 ] (Score: 2) |
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LibertysLegacy (extremist) |
| Posted on | 03/13/04 05:50 PM |
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"How's that for perspective?"
Aye, my daughter's fiance' looks to become one of the next batch of "bullet magnets" outsourced for Vietnam Part ll.
Just Say No!...To Politics |
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[ To: LibertysLegacy | Post 1363629, reply to 1363232 ] (Score: 2) |
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MadameAxe (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/13/04 09:34 PM |
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: givemeliberty | Post 1369606, reply to 1361055 ] (Score: 2) |
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MadameAxe (agent provocateur) |
| Posted on | 03/17/04 06:30 AM |
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I must beg your pardon, gml. A section of the post of yours to which I am replying has been posted at least twice on the main forum. This post has a link to the other place I'm aware of that it was posted.
I knew that there were some "floor party" members included in the Gulch's access list, but I had assumed that their stated "libertarianism" was assurance enough that they would behave here with honor and discretion. An invalid assumption, as it turns out.
:-(
I am considering whether to reduce the scope of the access list, due to this breach of confidence. I hope you will accept my apology.
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: annalex | Post 1370234, reply to 1360461 ] (Score: 2) |
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askel5 (revolutionary) |
| Posted on | 03/17/04 10:58 AM |
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=== For the record, I do not mind if my (mealy-mouthed, as they were) opinions expressed here on TC's thread are reposted or otherwise referred to openly, and in fact I stated my opinion publicly as well.
sorry ... forgot to check in back here.
I'm with you. I suppose there are a few occasions I'd just as soon what I say stay strictly private but I find life's quite a bit more simple if I restrict myself always to speaking only in private what I'm prepared to defend in public. =) |
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: MadameAxe | Post 1370468, reply to 1369606 ] (Score: 2) |
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angel2000 (extremist) |
| Posted on | 03/17/04 12:33 PM |
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I think you should remove the thread since there is someone who can't be trusted here. It isn't fair on the people who don't want this made public and it isn't really appropriate material for the Gulch anyway. Just my opinion based on the current events.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." Bertrand Russell |
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Re: Moving recent Gulch threads to a public area
[ To: angel2000 | Post 1370870, reply to 1370468 ] (Score: 1) |
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LeWolf (radical) |
| Posted on | 03/17/04 03:55 PM |
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it isn't really appropriate material for the Gulch anyway
Hmmm.....
As far as I understand MadameAxe is now wondering about an "inappropriate" guest, not material.
Throwing the dish away won't fix the fact you have guests eating with their fingers spoiling it.
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[ To: LeWolf | Post 1370892, reply to 1370870 ] (Score: 2) |
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angel2000 (extremist) |
| Posted on | 03/17/04 04:05 PM |
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The material proves what other people had said about the Gulch was right, even if this is the first time it has happened. I don't think it was intended to be used that way. The problem with the inappropriate guest is we don't know who it is, we can at least get rid of the pointless thread they are taking material from and breaching other peoples privacy with. I think everything in that thread was said in public anyway.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." Bertrand Russell |
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[ To: angel2000 | Post 1370915, reply to 1370892 ] (Score: 1) |
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LeWolf (radical) |
| Posted on | 03/17/04 04:15 PM |
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Well, I understand your point but removing the thread NOW could be just worse and leading to concerns (as far as there are carefully biased leaks...) that there are really approved inappropriate topics running into this place and we got rid of the evidences of the "crime".
It has already been said: if it was to be removed it should have been done from the very beginning. Now it is pointless not to say counter-productive.
Let's keep calm and peaceful.
The best, as proposed is to burry the thread by more threads that fits to this place.
So, what's the next topic?
P.S.: to be really clear I'm not speaking here of unfortunate "accidental threads" most disapproved (so what?) but any rumour of voluntary discussion about topics that shouldn't take place here. Remove the cadaver and you'll get harder time to prove it was an accident not a crime. Edited by LeWolf on 03/17/04 04:20 PM. |
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