If you want copies of the PMs, ask Down_South. Kudzu tells me that he has them.

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Huge mistake

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He must take personal responsibility for his actions that led to his predicament

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Flag to: OWK, thoughtcriminal, JustStopIt, annalex, zviadist, texoma, LeWolf, gjenkins, beowolf

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Instead of engaging in your own personal counter-drama, why not just address the situation directly.

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Perhaps it's time to put our libertarian/ancap principles to the test.

A free-market trial may be in order.

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WRS posts little picture gifs in his posts. Then he reads his logs to see who was served the pictures. Then he tries to puzzle out who you are.

What a scoundrel. Is there any other way to block this garbage? I hate turning pics on and off. Why doesn't this loser get an f*ing life?

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Two distinct questions are before us.

1) Are these allegations true?

2) If true, do they warrant action against the perpetrators on the part of LF?




I'd say the answer to the second question is a resounding YES.


Only the first question needs an answer in my mind.

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I disagree. Simply because Kudzu allegedly had the information doesn't mean she had to use it to cause harm to his reputation/family relations in real life.

So she is a scumbag. But if he did not act on his desire to share intimate details of his life with a total stranger on the internet, we wouldn't be here talking about this. Personal responsibility.

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Ok, then you get the IP of all readers who have seen the pic, doen't tell who's who.

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Why? Please explain to us idiots.

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If you want copies of the PMs, ask Down_South. Kudzu tells me that he has them.

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What kind of freak wastes time doing this crap? Someone needs a hobby -- or a job.

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It does if you do it long enough and compare it to posting times and post time stamps. Especially if you're looking for a particular person.

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Can you suggest a format, and then perhaps this matter can move to the public forum rather than canvassing a lynch mob in the back room where the tagets cannot defend themselves?


I'd first suggest a simple inquiry into the facts of the case.

If those involved do not contest the facts, then the only question to be answered remains whether or not such a situation is actionable on the part of LF.

If the facts are called into question, then a free-market trial may be in order.

Judges need to be agreed upon by the princples (or their designees).

The procedure can be specified later.

The results would of course be binding.

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If you can get a decent match on a person who responds to that pic, on a lightly viewed thread, in fact it can give you a fair idea.

It just takes some work and watching a thread for signs of life.

On a heavily trafficed thread it would become much more difficult.

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WRS uses his IP tracing capabilities

ansar's response in which he will contact the parents

WRS tries to play it safe

hamzat linking ansar to Zaphod's family

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8. WRS and ansar got Zaph's father an account on the board so that he could see what his son was saying.
9. Zaph's father called him and he tried to deny that beeb and muslim were the same person.
10 So WRS produced the PMs as proof.

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I would say that the person who ratted him to his father is at fault but no one else.

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The question in my mind, is whether or not a poster utilized LF as a vehicle to foment and launch a campaign of of real-life harrassment and malice against another poster, because he does not like what the poster says on the free-speech platform which is supposed to be LF.

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Ok, then you get the IP of all readers who have seen the pic, doen't tell who's who.

He correlates the time stamp for the access to the pic in his logs, to the time of LF posts, and watches for patterns.

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A guy with a lot of time on his hands, to be sure.

Gathering information is one thing (and a shady thing at that). Using it to bring down somebody in real life, that crosses the line in no uncertain way.

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How did pm's from muslim prove that Z was muslim, as a matter of interest?


The connection of Z and Muslim is not alleged to have been made by PM's.

The allegation is that it was made and revealed via WRS's time-tested graphic IP sniffer technique.

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Let me try and explain the sequence of events as I understand them. tc can correct me if I am wrong.

1. Muslim sent a series of PMs to Kudzu, containing intimate details of his private life.
2. Muslim suddenly had an epiphany and converted from from a pro-Muslim to an anti-Muslim jihadi overnight.
3. He came back to the forum as ZaphodBeeblebox, displaying his new form of fanaticism.
4. WRS, snooping on IP as usual, figured out that Zaph and Muslim had the same address and posted this fact on the forum. He goes to school in Toronto.
5. ansar, who knows Zaph's family in Saudi Arabia, saw this
6. Zaph let it out the forum to WRS that he had lived in many Muslim countries
7. WRS responded "you don't know what you just revealed about yourself" and Zaph let it slide.
8. WRS and ansar got Zaph's father an account on the board so that he could see what his son was saying.
9. Zaph's father called him and he tried to deny that beeb and muslim were the same person.
10 So WRS produced the PMs as proof.
11. His father wound up in the hospital briefly and his mother is heartbroken.

WRS is now trying to get him kicked out of school.

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ZaphrodBeeblebrox has been posting to Liberty Forum from what appears to be Muslim's machine ~ same operating system, same browser, same system changes reflected in the packet headers, same IP address ~ ever since he's been here. Of course that doesn't prove anything, maybe they're roommates in the same dormitory, using the University's ISP, and it's all happenstance. But the fact is interesting.

And Zaprox started posting on this Thread at 11:39pm on Wednesday (Pacific Time but that does NOT identify the time zone that he's posting from), continued to 5:16am (an hour and a half after I'd gone to bed), took an eight-hour break and returned at 1:23pm, for half an hour, then left for six hours, returning at 7:42pm on Thursday until 9:20pm, took a two-hour break and came back at 11:59pm and was still on when I went to bed at 1:05am. During that time he refreshed the pages from this Thread over seventy-five times, sometimes less than a minute apart.

So I suspect he wasn't trolling any other Threads during those 25.5 hours that I was refining my writing on The Hoax Of The Age Of Pisces. But will I get an award for public service? Noooooo....

God bless him for his patience ...

God forgive me for pure self-indulgence. I was really hoping he'd be ready for prime time, I think he shows a lot of promise, masquerading like that.

Oops ... that presumes Zaprox to be Muslim, which isn't proven.

Well, Zaprox is a lot of enthusiasm and concentration going to waste. But he likes Mayflower Musa, so maybe there's some hope for him.

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True, I stand corrected.

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The burden of guilt is squarely on Kudzu/WRS.

They didn't rat him out--they just discovered a violation. I think its forbidden to use two different names when posting--if for some reason you have to abandon one, you gotta tell the management.

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I am pretty sure that anytime we post to a thread, the time of that post is recorded and printed in the page. Immediately after we post to a thread, we are immediately taken back to the refreshed thread.

In the case of posting to a thread the correlation is probably 100%.

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