Given the wholesale vilification of Arabs by the media, Bush, Zionists and you, and out of fear of invasion, Arab dictators have allowed a limited form of freedom of religious discussion that is producing valuable work of contemporary Qur'an interpretation in Arab newspapers and media. The Arabs are becoming free and doing the necessary contemporary interpretation of the Qur'an, and I mean applying its meanings to contemporary people's minds and affairs. What is wrong with you to deny the simple fact that a person whose mother language is Arabic is useful in acquiring a better understanding of an Arabic text?  Or to claim that indigenous Muslim Americans like you are the only ones who can "get it right" and that Arabs can't get it right? This hubris is not like you.  Something wrong here.

   WRS:  ... Arabs are even worse and have good manners to mask it.
   Cyte:  You keep trashing Arabs (I am one).
   WRS:  I repeat what the prophet himself said ...

   No you don't.

   Sure I do.  The dictators stand on lies.  Watch.

   The Prophet predicted misbehavior by some Arabs, you generalize and condemn all contemporary Arabs.

   You're mistaken and you should know better than to even try that.  He consistently said "Ummatee" ~ "My ummah."  That's from the same root as "umm" or "mother" and it means family to an nth degree beyond time and the grave and even this physical universe ~ there's a genesis and generational dimension to it.  It doesn't mean "some Arabs."

   And he did not say "Some Arabs" in these reports, he was talking about an entire people going astray ~ his people from your mother Hajjar ~ precisely and exactly and in the same ways that another entire people ~ Musa's people from their mother Sarah ~ went astray before, making the comparison utterly explicit, a people and their prophet and a people and their prophet, named and indelibly identified as a people, and describing in detail exactly how the Arab muslims would do that step by step and as a people established in the earth.  And that's where they went, exactly as he described in detail.  And you know that.  He singled out the people who would not follow them and told us about them, he did not single out the people who would lead and follow the entire people.  You try to turn it around backwards.

   And you found it in the Qur'an yourself, I didn't show it to you, you showed it to me when you found it.  He will bring another people to replace you and they won't be like you.  You showed me that.  The Strangers are "of those who will have moved away from their clans."  You're among them.

   My mother is Na'amah.  I had to leave everything and my life itself to find that out.  We're a different ummah, of Noah or Nuh, which includes every living being on the face of the planet and in the heavens and beneath the waters.  Islam is our legacy, God sent Muhammad to us with it, placing it among the Arabs for all humanity, that's us.  We're among the strangers ~ in fact that's what the Jews call us, ger, "strangers."  When Muhammad started talking about "the strangers" they didn't need to ask who he was talking about, they already knew.  Muslims asked them and they pretended they didn't have a clue.

   You look at the words that you want to hear and ignore the words that make you feel bad.  The Arabs are to be destroyed almost entirely, we know that for a fact from authentic prophecy, you found that one, too, and that makes me feel bad, too.  But they're over there working on it right now in either direction ~ toward exactly that and in the same exact direction trying to stop it.  Maybe there will be enough muslims to stop it this time, but we know it will happen eventually.

   There is nothing you or I or all the people here together could possibly do about it.  The people of action here are already in action on other agendas.  At least for the foreseeable future.

   What we do here is raise high the truth, to where people can see it and recognize it for what it is, and the truth is that the "Arabs" today are a people of the Fire and they'd better get religion in a God-awful hurry and the best place they can do that is in America and millions have done that.  And God doesn't care, He said that explicitly, "These are for the Garden and I don't care and these are for the Fire and I don't care" ~ people choose their ultimate destinations.  You chose America and faith because America is faith ~ that's what you find in the people around you.  We don't have the capacity to save the Arabs from their folly or anyone else either.

   There is a moral imperative at work in creation and it is inexorable and working.  It's so comprehensive that it has heretics and magicians and zionist jews and paulines and pagans and you and me all here in this forum.

   It doesn't happen for no reason at all, it happens for the same reason ALLAH destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ~ not for what they did, but for what they approved as a society and allowed when they could have prevented it, and instead gave their blessing to license and tyranny and corruption.  The same way He'll destroy Amerikoshera for the same reason.  They mislead in the name of God and His righteousness, they rule by His permission and claim His authority by whatever delegation they contrive, and corrupt the trust.

   They're done.  Islam is here in America and the shuyukh have been coming here for a hundred years bearing witness to the truth of that and then going to Arabia to the Haramain to die of old age.  The fat lady ain't sung but that play is over ~ and the curtain's rising again but it's curtains there.  And they know that, that's why they stole the Muslim Student Association back in the Seventies with petrodollars and set up the Salafi Da'wah and all of their think tanks and lobbying organizations and mosque-property holding companies and Rose Garden photo-op luncheons and State Department podiums and pay the light bills in their mosque right down the street from you ~ where you couldn't go except with police protection, "Arab."

   We are indigenous American muslims, black white polka dotted and spotted, tall and skinny and short fat and ugly and making noise in the alley at Fajr when we carry your garbage to the dump ~ and there are eight million of us that only the federal authorities even know exist and they don't know it all and they know that but they know us, we make sure of it.  The Arab organizations in the immigrant heritage sector of Muslim America have never included us in their statistical data because we don't tell them the time of day and never have.  News services don't know we exist.

   I gave a sister what turned out to be most of the ZIP-coded address list of physical and mailing addresses for the 1994 Resource Directory of Islam in America ~ a major "first" produced by the first major "American Muslim" effort set up under Arab heritage tutelage and sponsorship that included actual project responsibility and direction by "indigenous American Muslims" of the Plainfield demographic now showcased at the annual conventions.  These are the people courted by the Clinton Administration and betrayed by Bush, the lobbying organizations and the charities and the publishing houses and professional associations reported in the CAIR promotion of "We're sweet."

   They're sweet.  They're great muslims.  They're hospitable.  They've been joined by literally millions of Americans who have embraced Islam since the Fall of The Two Pillars and The Pentagram in Blue (which in those words you can probably understand that some folks imagine was a "Sign" of some kind from some contrived "prophecy" that was "vague" until then).

   They're peaceful they're employed they're educated they're employed they're charitable they're employed they pay taxes they're employed and they vote.  Living Islam in The American Dream just like it's supposed to be done ~ conservative middle class liberal artsy take the children to soccer mom, dad's taking us to the stadium time.  Your neighbors.  They don't ring your doorbell or leave literature on your porch or ask you to sign petitions at the post office.  You don't even know they're there because the media suppresses coverage ~ until the Treachery.

   This turned out to be the best Directory of its kind after a dozen insipid attempts by various professional organizations with blinders on.  It included thumbnail descriptions of muslim societies and businesses in the thousands, periodicals, schools, student organizations, a Who's Who, and the beginnings of what could have become a business and professional network.  There's a forum member who can give you the story from their perspective, it turned out to be a good source of information about Muslim America and I still use it today.  There's a lot more raw information in there than just the small core of geographic distribution and faction that I provided.

   My list, a nationwide indigenous American muslim continuing project for which I had controlling responsibility for a decade before going emeritus, was of over two thousand mosques and Islamic Centers set up by 1979, indexed by Name, City, ZIP, specific demographic characteristics and sectarian party affiliation, control and composition, and strategic political and militarily-threatened disposition under the war on Islam that's been raging here in America since the Mayflower arrived.  It contained the distilled intelligence of twenty years of professional information development inside America's muslim populations and their neighborhoods and analyzed the demographic characteristics, factional trends, and politically partisan sectors more thoroughly than the federal register.

   The FBI trained me on that kind of stuff in the COINTELPRO program under Nixon.  I didn't even know I was learning it or from whom.  I had already been trained to the Command and General Staff level by the U.S. Army, exactly the same way ~ I didn't even know I was learning it or from whom.  You have no idea how invisible an indigenous American muslim can be, nobody notices the spook who sits by the door.  That's the list I gave them.

   And they didn't know what it was.  That's "Arab" in Muslim America.

   Our neighbors love us and the courts know to trust us and a few old cranky Jews would burn the entire town to get rid of us if they dared or had the wherewithal and had the slightest idea that they might succeed.  They don't and if they tried they'd probably fumble it like every time anyone else has, like that stupid cop who thought he owned this town and traded traffic infractions for ... well, my federal case against him is settled and it don't matter, he's up doing the same thing with a Sheriff's badge now as Domestic Violence Knight in Shining Armor with some perfectly medeival fringe benefits.  Talk about fox guarding the chickenhouse, this guy's a piece of work and he ain't none of my bizness.

   We've watched everything the Arabs have done in America, if not from inside or through the ceiling from within their funding agencies, then from close by, and so have the feds, better than we have, because they can turn Green Card holders without even trying and indigenous American muslims are about as welcome in their mosques as you are, except when they hire mystified indigenous American muslims as menials and keep them like pretty white house niggers and black-as-a-poker-chip tokens.

   We watched that string of "Afghani Mujahideen Refugee Centers" spring up overnight swarming with "federal agent" type Arab-looking guys speaking not-very-oddly-accented Arabic like they might have learned it at home not far from the sea.  We filled their gas tanks and sold them condoms and sixpacks and bought their dope and Saturday Night Specials and told them where the hookers ran.  They didn't even see us, they just continued talkin' that talk and flappin' they jaws and told us all about it.

   Just because all you happily integrated Arab American muslim and Cambodian American muslim and Pakistani American muslim and Malaysian American muslim children of refugees have felt safe and welcome all these years and didn't notice some stuff until yesterday doesn't mean that we've been asleep, we were born in the belly of the Beast and we know what's going on in this country.

   Welcome to America ~ we are in jihad here, our native country has been quietly taken over by devils and most people can't see them.  Sit down and take it easy, enjoy life and you'll be fine.  Serving ALLAH and America and Americans since 1970, no tipping please, ALLAH has already given us everything we could possibly need.  I can't count the times I've said that to someone who had no idea what I was saying no matter how I said it.

   I think it's impossible to kill all eight million of us but it won't surprise me if someone tries.  Goodol'Boy Rush and Goodol'Boy Mike and a whole 'nother bunch of golemighty dang crissen whi'folk sure would like the peasants to get on with it.  Go over to TOS and see how hospitable some people are.  I have a golem right here in town ~ I had the sheriff put a leash on him.

   Where's yours?  Who's been assigned to kill you when the word is passed?  You're a muslim, you know how these things have worked since before Joshua crossed the Jordan, right?  How do you know when someone is lying?  He's smiling at a goy.  That's basic stuff.

   You are doing this because you cannot understand Arabic the same way an Arab can.

   That's petulance.

   I understand Arabic more thoroughly than any Arab who grew up speaking a corrupted clerical and political dialect of it that he can't shake off from life-long habitual thinking and re-learn, and I've demonstrated that to you on numerous occasions and you've acknowledged that.

   That's why mastery is in my hand and the mu'min runs to my command and people of tasawwuf sit at my feet awaiting their own divan.  Listen to it and tell me I don't have Arabic.  I am who I say I am:  I'm given "few words full of meaning" in American idiomatic English straight from clear Arabic and people can't help but listen to me because they hear truth.  The words I am given have a life of their own and stand up in the clear light of day on their own legs.  This is a science.

   Islam is not the language ~ you can understand the religion without the language, you can't understand the language without the religion.  Having both the faith and the tongue is no guarantee whatever that someone is right or even knows what he's talking about and you've demonstrated that, too, on occasion.

   And you know what you left behind over there and why you're here in America ~ it's not the language, it's the faith.  It's been taken up from over there and you know it, you just won't face it.  If there was the chance of a snowball in hell of salvaging anything over there, that's where you'd be.

   And this is what makes many Arabs valuable, especially free ones.

   The Arabs are wine.  Their harm outweighs their good.  Their designs on America are a pathetic joke, they are as threatening as spring rain ~ sometimes it floods, mostly it just is all wet.

   This set of mental mechanics we call Arabic, a way of thinking concretely, is what makes many muslims valuable.  You are not a "free Arab" ~ there is no such thing and you've said that on this forum repeatedly.  You are an "Arab-American" reborn muslim and that's so utterly different that it changed your life entirely.

   Stop defending people who would kill you because you're a muslim born an Arab and aren't standing in the fire with them.  They hate you the way Jews hate Jesus and for exactly the same reason.  Jesus Was Not A Jew and you're not an "Arab" except on your tongue.  And you know that.

   Stop apologizing for the enemies of humanity, the enemies of God and your enemies.  The deniers are one and the hypocrites are among them, and in the Arab lands the hypocrites have had the upper hand for centuries.  Do what I do ~ get out of there whoever you can as fast as you can.  That's what time it's been for at least the last thirty-five years since I stepped on.  Your work is American Arabic, not Arab salvation.

   It's in God's Hands, not ours.